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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

distances wrote: post #331
robertlagrant wrote: post #245

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I'm not saying they shouldn't go on strike. I'm saying that they aren't on strike, as they're still working. Refusing to service one customer isn't striking.

It's just one company that doesn't play ball so a full strike wouldn't be appropriate reaction, especially as employers' organization apparently isn't a participant here. Say, striking dockworkers can paralyze the whole economy, all sectors. It's not a step to be taken lightly.

It's not just one company "not playing ball". Spotify, with ten times as many affected employees in Sweden, also doesn't have an agreement.

> It's not a step to be taken lightly.

Well, there's no balancing downside to doing it this way. Workers still get paid. So they can do this pretty lightly, assuming their employers allow them to just discriminate against certain customers.

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Post by morelisp »

oh_sigh wrote: post #288
jsiepkes wrote: post #77

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Should a mail worker be able to decide who gets their mail and who don't? For example as a mail worker should I be able to opt out from delivering mail to politicians whose political statements I find deplorable?

Compare and contrast the reception Swedish mail workers are getting for their behavior, versus Kim Davis, who refused to issue an otherwise non-problematic marriage license(which was part of her job).

Even Davis was ultimately allowed to refuse to issue licenses personally; she just couldn't forbid the deputy clerks from doing it (only one of whom, her son, also refused). She also had an elected position with an oath of office, not an employment contract.

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Post by actionfromafar »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #294
enterprise_cog wrote: post #217

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It’s the same thing as delivery drivers refusing to cross a picket line. You stand in solidarity with fellow striking workers, because their wellbeing is directly related to your own. It’s collective action and should be praised in an age where opaque corporations and oligarchs run everything.

Completely independent of if you think it is good or bad, it is clear that that the postnord sympathy action is not a strike or walkout.

What is it then?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by thegrim33 »

nemothekid wrote: post #265
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103

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Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

> I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. When you zoom out and look at the actors involved, this isn't all that strange. This is a strike - if the citizens of a country don't want to do business with a certain entity isn't that how the government, ideally, should work? Citizens should be able to…

One union in Norway and one union in Denmark do not equal the "citizens" of Norway and Denmark.

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Post by s0l1dsnak3123 »

eddtries wrote: post #349
oh_sigh wrote: post #329

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Yes, but there are only 10M people there (and only 25M people in the nordic countries). To put it in perspective, the total number of Teslas sold over the entire history of Tesla in all of the Nordic countries is less than half of how many Teslas were sold in the US in 2023 alone.

One factor that could be a thing in the next few years is the R&D on EVs, green mining, and rare mineral deposits found in Northern Sweden. Sweden now has the largest despot of materials used in EV batteries in Europe and is leading in green mining to be able to access those minerals while meeting climate targets. These materials are expensive and hard to transport - Tesla could use this as an opportunity to set up s…

Countries like Sweden have form on using their natural resources to build vast state funds which are then used to improve conditions yet further, creating a virtuous cycle of opportunity and innovation in the process. Norway did this very successfully with oil money. There's no reason to think Sweden wouldn't go this way with their rare minerals.

While the rest of the world looks on in envy, wondering why it is seemingly so impossible to replicate elsewhere.

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Post by Apocryphon »

elteto wrote: post #347
actionfromafar wrote: post #144

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I honestly don't see what so bad about the union action here. Would honestly love to understand what you don't like about this.

You don’t see anything wrong with public workers selectively punishing _one_ entity of their arbitrary choosing? Unchecked power is bad. Doesn’t matter if it’s a government, a company or a union.

From your previous comment, you’re stating you are okay if the union declined to deliver everyone’s mail, which sounds like you’re fine with unchecked power that expresses itself without discrimination.

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Post by [deleted] »

ianburrell wrote: post #342
wyager wrote: post #289

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> What is this entity that compels government employees to work? Typically the entity that compels employees to to their job (or be fired) is their employer. That is, in fact, the defining relationship between employees and employers.

The employees of PostNord are union. They presumably have protection from being fired.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Moiman wrote: post #337
wyager wrote: post #289

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> What is this entity that compels government employees to work? Typically the entity that compels employees to to their job (or be fired) is their employer. That is, in fact, the defining relationship between employees and employers.

It is illegal to fire employees who are participating in lawful strike.

I would classify striking and not delivering to a specific entity as different things.

The latter is more easily able to be used for extortion.

Similar to cops deciding not to police a region populated by a certain tribe. Or, in the same vein, over policing a certain region/tribe.

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Post by actionfromafar »

elteto wrote: post #347
actionfromafar wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't see what so bad about the union action here. Would honestly love to understand what you don't like about this.

You don’t see anything wrong with public workers selectively punishing _one_ entity of their arbitrary choosing? Unchecked power is bad. Doesn’t matter if it’s a government, a company or a union.

There’s nothing arbitrary about it. A worker can’t just declare a strike, that’s illegal. The company the postal company works for, also agreed to these terms.

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Post by pb7 »

messe wrote: post #195
pb7 wrote: post #164

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These terms usually mean the same thing. Do you want to explain the difference you're trying to highlight?

On this side of the atlantic at least, the government tends to just mean the prime minister / head of government and their cabinet (and to an extent the associated political parties in charge).

Ok so what is a general term for your courts, your legislature, your bodies responsible for defense and foreign policy, your securities and banking, your monetary policy, etc? It's all government.
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