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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by pkulak »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

> Your choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands [of the government]

That's how all business works.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by babypuncher »

robertlagrant wrote: post #150
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. That's what Tesla's employees are doing. The point of a sympathetic strike is so that a small country's workforce can stand up to the likes of Tesla. Tesla can always withdraw from the Nordic market if they don't like the rules (which never changed). They don't want to do that because there is so…

But it's not a sympathetic strike. They're refusing to deliver Tesla's mail. They aren't striking against their employer.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the definition of "sympathetic strike".

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bayindirh »

robertlagrant wrote: post #237
bayindirh wrote: post #160

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They are increasing the pressure on a company which is not treating their workers well and fairly. These workers are friends, wives, husbands, relatives… It’s more than justified.

You're missing the point. I'm not debating the validity of whether people should leave Tesla and go work somewhere else. I'm saying that it's not a strike if you're just refusing service to a customer. A strike - whether because of your circumstances or another's - is you downing tools and stopping working.

No, I’m not. I’m on mobile, and failed to convey my message.

What I tried to say is, postal workers are increasing pressure on a company which is treating their workers unfairly, and these workers are connected to the postal workers in a way.

So, what postal workers are doing is justified.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by s1artibartfast »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #217
s1artibartfast wrote: post #153

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Posnord isn't striking. They are doing everything else and except servicing tesla.

It’s the same thing as delivery drivers refusing to cross a picket line. You stand in solidarity with fellow striking workers, because their wellbeing is directly related to your own. It’s collective action and should be praised in an age where opaque corporations and oligarchs run everything.

Completely independent of if you think it is good or bad, it is clear that that the postnord sympathy action is not a strike or walkout.

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Post by r00fus »

legitster wrote: post #236
sampo wrote: post #92

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> If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Nordic countries actually have relatively weak labour laws. What might be handled in legislation in US (e.g. minimum wage), is handled in collective bargaining agreements, that are negotiated between trade unions and employers' associations. And the trade unions and the employers' associ…

> And the trade unions and the employers' associations like it this way, that the power is in their hands, and not in legislation. A government that would try to step on their turf, would be asking for a lot of trouble. Part of the reason the US has so many onerous labor laws is not necessarily from anti-labor sentiment (though it didn't hurt), but part of anti-crime efforts to fight the mafia in the 50s and 60s. "Si…

> part of anti-crime efforts to fight the mafia in the 50s and 60s

I can't help but wondering if this is merely an ostensible reasoning. Do you happen to have more information about the "anti-mafia" struggle?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by throwawa14223 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #262
throwawa14223 wrote: post #134

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I feel like you're reducing everything to material conditions. Joining a union would (statistically) help me economically but my objections to being in a union again are all moral convictions. Perhaps workers are optimizing for concerns you do not share?

Is your moral objection that you're opposed to improved material conditions?

I believe I should follow my word. Striking violates my principles.

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Post by thecopy »

belltaco wrote: post #269
thecopy wrote: post #224

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Its a law

Given that PostNord is jointly owned by the Swedish and Danish governments but is not a government agency, it's strange that there would be a law that exclusively forces the Swedish government to use PostNord. There's also nothing in the law that states that plates have to be mailed and cannot be picked up, that's a operational decision by the Transport Agency. It's required by law to provide plates so it will be int…

You may well think that, and i agree with you, but that is how the regulation is, afaik. The plates have to be distributed by mail and Postnord has to be used for it.

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Post by mattlutze »

rch wrote: post #119
kryptiskt wrote: post #22

The biggest problem for Tesla right now is that they can't get registration plates since the appeals court reversed the lower court's decision about allowing them to get them during the suit against the transport authority and failing to convince the court in the PostNord suit that they should get temporary relief during that suit.

I think the postal carriers are within their rights to refuse to make deliveries in support of Tesla purchases, but the government will need to explain why Tesla shouldn't be allowed to explore alternatives for customers to comply with legal requirements.

I very much support workers collecting in solidarity to support each other.

I'm not sure that I like the idea of official agents of a state office, or de facto state office, being authorized to independently choose how to execute their duties.

Would it also be permitted for a group of socially conservative postal workers to refuse to deliver wedding licenses or legal documents to same sex partnerships? To determine which mail had documents for refugees and refuse to deliver those?

Dock workers not offloading boats is one thing, but disrupting the mail is a real challenge for me to get right in my head.

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Post by othorns »

Hamuko wrote: post #266
1970-01-01 wrote: post #183

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The sad truth is there is plenty of room for Musk to make things much worse. I imagine he can deny them SpaceX payloads. Starlink was just made available to them as well. He could throttle or deny their uplinks and downlinks.

Does Starlink matter at all in Sweden? I've always assumed they have robust Internet connectivity and 4G/5G like we do in Finland.

It does not, totally irrelevant product for most people, especially since it is way more expensive than uncaped 4G/5G and most people have a cheap and fast physical unlink at home.

Might be useful for some cabins way out in the wilderness or on an island. But maybe not even then, my grandparents cabin has fiber

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by pkulak »

eggy wrote: post #196
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Wow, Scandinavia - Big Brother's Man Cave! No substantial bad factory conditions or request for higher pay, "just agree to collective bargaining agreements, that's all." I was a welder back in NY in 1997, and joined a company and I was told by the Union's lackey that joining the union was voluntary. At the end of my three months, the thug came looking for dues. He clarified, "it's voluntary, you can take another job.…

> do not really do what they advertise.

Now there's a hot take in light of the largest worker gains in decades, entirely because of unions, just in the last couple years.

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