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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by distances »

ajmurmann wrote: post #198
distances wrote: post #181

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The Finnish dock workers just announced that they are also joining the strike. Tesla would lose the whole Nordic market for something that surely is peanuts in the company scale. One could assume that an agreement would make financial sense.

What does it mean for Finnish dock workers to join? Are they refusing to load and unload Tesla shipments or are they striking generally?

They are refusing to load and unload Teslas and Tesla components to Sweden. So doesn't actually affect the Finnish market now.

Article in Finnish: https://www.hs.fi/talous/art-2000010043398.html

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Post by eddtries »

Leherenn wrote: post #185
eddtries wrote: post #114

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* and the strike must be lawful, to strike. You couldn’t arbitrarily strike and stop delivering mail to Trump for example.

Sorry if I am obtuse, but what's the difference between Trump and a specific company? That one is a legal entity? If the plates were to be delivered not to Tesla, but to an individual, then they wouldn't be allowed not to deliver them?

I probably shouldn't have complicated things by mentioning an individual, I really don't know if that could even be possible. Imagine I said Republican Party.

The key thing is that for a strike to be declared it has to be called for by the union, it would be unprecedented to call a strike for political action against a party.

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Post by [deleted] »

capitalism22 wrote: post #65
notaustinpowers wrote: post #49

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Considering Sweden, Denmark, and Norway have some of the highest wealth per adult considering their size and labor practices, I think they're doing just fine. Don't wanna play by Swedish rules? Don't go to Sweden.

Based on these events, Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences.

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Post by hooverd »

johngladtj wrote: post #168
jmyeet wrote: post #23

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Every work condition you take for grant--8 hour days, weekends, vacations, paid leave, to name a few--is the fruit of the labor movement, labor organization and strikes. Consider the Homestead strike [1] where companies hired private mercenaries (ie the Pinkertons) to commit violence to break the strike. People died. Consider US auto makers [2]: > Tesla workers earn on average about $55 an hour in wages and benefits,…

I find it funny how in every example I have ever seen of "companies oppressing poor workers on strike" every single time the workers started it by doing illegal and wrong things, and attempting to force the company to give in by force. Every. Single. Time. If someone can give me one example where the poor oppressed strikers were 100% in the right and did not actually start with the violence or credible threat of viol…

Ah, so strikers not being 100% perfect victims justifies it. Got it.

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Post by wharvle »

l33tman wrote: post #200
wharvle wrote: post #96

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> Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime at twitter where Twitter was the monarchy (i.e. the king) bestowing status of a lord (blue checkmark) not based on objective merit but based completely on whims of Twitter. He used the phrase the other day as explicitly the reason he doesn’t like unions. It was part of that interview that was full of painful awkwardness and “holy shit, did he really ju…

What was this interview? Sounds like fun :)

“Dealbook summit musk” will find you various long clips. It is indeed a fascinating watch, and entertaining if you’re the sort who finds stuff like Tim and Eric funny (I do)

The part that got the most attention was when he literally told objecting advertisers to “go fuck themselves” and, when the interviewer repeatedly tried to extract from him what his plan is to turn the company profitable while turning off advertisers, he dodged, implied he didn’t care about that, and finally said some insane shit like “oh yeah, it’ll kill the company. But the world will judge them” (?!?!)

[edit] to emphasize how nuts this was, because I’m not sure the above captures it, he also told those advertisers to stay gone (separately from “go fuck yourselves”) and when the trying-his-damnedest-to-be-sympathetic interviewer tried to prompt Musk to explain what his plan is for the company in the face of substantial advertiser (so, customer) revolt that he just encouraged, Musk dissembled, then finally just said the company is doomed but that he’s ok with that because he feels he’s winning a moral victory. It’s batshit crazy and I can only imagine what it’s like as an employee to see the CEO/owner say he expects the company to fail and display a total lack of interest in preventing it.

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Post by mxsjoberg »

jcpst wrote: post #191
mxsjoberg wrote: post #175

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> Maybe Tesla is the problem here. No, this is an issue for other smaller companies too (with less media coverage) > Maybe the rest of the world needs to catch up to the societal norms of Sweden when it comes to worker's rights. I hope not. I kind of want a flying car ASAP. Not never.

Sorry everyone- forget about the union. This guy on HN wants a flying car, and we’ll never have that as long as unions exist.

> we’ll never have that as long as unions exist

This might still be true tho. We'll see.

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Post by enterprise_cog »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #153
actionfromafar wrote: post #89

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You wouldn't have the right to do that by Swedish law. You only have the right to strike.

Posnord isn't striking. They are doing everything else and except servicing tesla.

It’s the same thing as delivery drivers refusing to cross a picket line. You stand in solidarity with fellow striking workers, because their wellbeing is directly related to your own.

It’s collective action and should be praised in an age where opaque corporations and oligarchs run everything.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

belltaco wrote: post #130
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #116

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> don't understand how one entity can have this much power...choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands of the postal service...eventually the post office will realize how much power they weild and use it for some other gain It's fairly constrained. They have leverage because the law gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates. If they abuse that narrow power, it's trivial to take it away witho…

> The only reason they have leverage is the law that gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates Is that a law or an exclusive contract between the government and PostNord, given after bidding and a tender process as they call it in Europe and Asian countries? I think it's a contract, and contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes. Since the Transport Agency is required by law to pr…

> contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes

Tesla can't call force majeure on a contract it isn't party to. If the Swedish government wanted to break the strike, it can--trivially. There is simply zero political will to do so.

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Post by eddtries »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #210
eddtries wrote: post #129

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They will have to give in or close shop. Simply two options available. Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down so I suspect the latter. I was just about to buy a new Tesla when this kicked off and don’t fancy the risk of having a car I can’t service, so shopped around and discovered other EVs can be just as good with better build quality nowadays! So that’s a nice outcome for me.

> Musk is pretty irrational when it comes to backing down What from the outside looks "irrational", from the inside may look like "not compromising on principles". Money is not the main variable that Musk is trying to maximize at this point.

> not compromising on principles

Yes, I'm not talking about money here. Irrational means making bad decisions. The bad decision here is to continue playing with a bad hand against someone who isn't going to fold. Sweden is not going to fold so either Musk folds now to avoid more embarrassment & costs, or keeps going and folds in the future. It'd be more rational to just pull out of Sweden than fight a losing battle, as you said money isn't that much of a factor here.

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Post by throwawa14223 »

wharvle wrote: post #206
throwawa14223 wrote: post #180

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Yes, in both cases.

Are boards of directors unrelated parties you’re forced to associate with if you don’t want to severely limit your employment options?

The people the owners of the company have selected to run the company on their behalf are directly related to a company. I fail to see the similarity.
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