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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by riversflow »

dragontamer wrote: post #73
gottorf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

UPS and FedEx are mail delivery companies that are completely unrelated to US Government. I dunno much about Europe but if it's a private company, then rules and services are obviously different.

UPS and FedEx also arent allowed to touch your mailbox, and don't have their own law enforcement wing.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bigbillheck »

kjksf wrote: post #71
addicted wrote: post #19

> "I just don't like anything which creates a lords and peasants sort of thing," This is particularly ironic coming from Elon Musk, net worth $245Bn in a country where “44.2 million people lived in households that had difficulty getting enough food to feed everyone in 2022”

You should ask ChatGPT the following: "explain "lords and peasants"" It's a bit long to reproduce here but the gist of it is that lords had rights and privileges that peasants (serfs) didn't. Those privileges were not based on merit (e.g. you started a successful business and made lots of money) but on bloodline or being given the lord title by monarchy. Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime…

> You should ask ChatGPT

No thanks.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by numpad0 »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Yeah so basically they're complaining they've got a court approved government sanction. They're technically free to whine like North Korea does, as they see fit, I guess.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by eddtries »

actionfromafar wrote: post #89
jsiepkes wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should a mail worker be able to decide who gets their mail and who don't? For example as a mail worker should I be able to opt out from delivering mail to politicians whose political statements I find deplorable?

You wouldn't have the right to do that by Swedish law. You only have the right to strike.

* and the strike must be lawful, to strike. You couldn’t arbitrarily strike and stop delivering mail to Trump for example.

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Post by actionfromafar »

kjksf wrote: post #90
actionfromafar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The workers are compensated from union dues. If the unions hired crime lords, don't you think the companies could hire crime lords, too?

Only 12 employees of Tesla are striking i.e. not showing up to work. Those employees might very well be compensated from union dues. The rest can hardly be called a strike. It's called "sympathy strike" but it's more like "sympathy sabotage. For example, the postal workers (who are not employees of Tesla but of postal office) are not striking. They are showing up to work, just decided not to deliver mail to Tesla. So…

It's illegal in the US since the 1930s, the employers won that (quite literal) war.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #103
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

Allowing the government owned post office to pick and choose who gets mail just seems like a step too far. But even then the court wasn't forcing them to deliver mail, just allowing that mail to be picked up. And now that's blocked? I just don't understand how one entity can have this much power, in this case they essentially are the government they could demand whatever the hell they wanted. Your choice is to leave…

> don't understand how one entity can have this much power...choice is to leave the country or agree to the demands of the postal service...eventually the post office will realize how much power they weild and use it for some other gain

It's fairly constrained. They have leverage because the law gives Postnord a monopoly on delivering license plates.

If they abuse that narrow power, it's trivial to take it away without triggering any broader impacts. The fact that this is outside the political Overton window should say something about Tesla's public support.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mfi »

> "In the light of the conflict now spreading to Denmark as well as Tesla's recent very categorical refusal to enter a labour union agreement in any country, we have come to the conclusion that we as investors at present hardly can influence the company," the pension fund said in an emailed statement. ... That is why we're now putting Tesla on our exclusion list, ..."

PensionDanmark, one of Denmark's largest pension funds, has decided to sell its holdings in Tesla over this dispute. [0]

[0] https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/danish-pension-fund-s...

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bee_rider »

renewiltord wrote: post #58

It's quite interesting. They have proxy legal systems in these countries: the unions. Since the union "strikes" are not the same as traditional strikes that I know of, they can sustain the strike much longer. Rather than strikes where workers don't work and don't get paid (and must be compensated from union dues), these strikes involve the majority of workers continuing to work and just shunning one or two companies…

If organizations (the unions) deciding not to do business with you is, by your definition, a “proxy legal system,” what do we have in the US? Proxy legal system of credit agencies and corporations? I’d take the unions I think.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by rch »

kryptiskt wrote: post #22

The biggest problem for Tesla right now is that they can't get registration plates since the appeals court reversed the lower court's decision about allowing them to get them during the suit against the transport authority and failing to convince the court in the PostNord suit that they should get temporary relief during that suit.

I think the postal carriers are within their rights to refuse to make deliveries in support of Tesla purchases, but the government will need to explain why Tesla shouldn't be allowed to explore alternatives for customers to comply with legal requirements.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by lawn »

legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

> Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike?

No they do not, and there are workers who work in Tesla services so it's not a complete standstill.

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