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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by johngladtj »

askonomm wrote: post #4
appleskeptic wrote: post #2

Striking should be legal, but firing employees for striking should also be legal.

Doing so would prevent people from striking against unfair conditions, because they would lose the ability to feed themselves, and so would rather suffer bad working conditions. If you care at all about human beings, you should not be able to fire people simply because they voice their concerns about unfair working conditions, etc.

On the contrary, it would simply put both companies and workers on the same standard.

If workers want to use their power to pressure companies, so should companies be able to do the same.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by Symbiote »

riversflow wrote: post #102
bayindirh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

We should unioninze the military.

See https://euromil.org/our-members/ for the European military unions.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bee_rider »

freedomben wrote: post #56
ajkjk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Striking should be ubiquitous; employees should be in unions by default with no voting required.

Some people I know despise their unions and union leadership. How would you structure it so that people aren't forced to support a union they hate?

The same way we avoid forcing people to support companies they hate. People can always quit if they want.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

elteto wrote: post #135
actionfromafar wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wouldn't have the right to do that by Swedish law. You only have the right to strike.

And then you can strike by selectively refusing to deliver mail for _one_ entity? I mean, call it whatever you want, but it is a selective strike and a government agency shouldn’t have the right to do that. You either don’t deliver _any_ mail, or you deliver it all. Btw I can totally empathize with the reason of the autoworkers strike, yet not agree with this.

I honestly don't see what so bad about the union action here. Would honestly love to understand what you don't like about this.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by hugginn »

judge2020 wrote: post #36
legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

> Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? From what I understand they initiated action on behalf of Tesla's workers and did not need to represent all or most of those employees to initiate the strike.

Yeah, the whole "voting for union membership" is foreign to Sweden, but in some industries membership is a rule rather than an exception. At some point, when there are enough union members at a company, unions tend to start working towards "collective agreements".

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wharvle »

throwawa14223 wrote: post #35
ajkjk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Striking should be ubiquitous; employees should be in unions by default with no voting required.

Why would you abridge my freedom of association by forcing me to be part of a group I have no desire to join?

You’re exactly as forced as people are forced to have a job.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

shtopointo wrote: post #136
kryptiskt wrote: post #22

The biggest problem for Tesla right now is that they can't get registration plates since the appeals court reversed the lower court's decision about allowing them to get them during the suit against the transport authority and failing to convince the court in the PostNord suit that they should get temporary relief during that suit.

Quite the precedent to set. Does this mean that any company operating in Denmark, that happens to be in a work dispute may have their mail stopped?

> Does this mean that any company operating in Denmark, that happens to be in a work dispute may have their mail stopped?

The special case in Sweden is the law that requires Postnord deliver license plates. That doesn't exist elsewhere. Instead, it's a broader rebuke of the company as a whole. So yes, if you manage to needlessly piss off Scandinavia, you will have difficulty doing business there. The same can be said of Florida or New York.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by Probiotic6081 »

redandblack wrote: post #88
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

I hope Elon gets the license plates delivered by courier, which really cannot be that expensive. Then the unions have to figure out their next steps. Get your popcorn

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

johngladtj wrote: post #141
askonomm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing so would prevent people from striking against unfair conditions, because they would lose the ability to feed themselves, and so would rather suffer bad working conditions. If you care at all about human beings, you should not be able to fire people simply because they voice their concerns about unfair working conditions, etc.

On the contrary, it would simply put both companies and workers on the same standard. If workers want to use their power to pressure companies, so should companies be able to do the same.

> If workers want to use their power to pressure companies, so should companies be able to do the same

Yes? Was this disputed?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104
robertlagrant wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.

> Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. That's what Tesla's employees are doing. The point of a sympathetic strike is so that a small country's workforce can stand up to the likes of Tesla. Tesla can always withdraw from the Nordic market if they don't like the rules (which never changed). They don't want to do that because there is so…

But it's not a sympathetic strike. They're refusing to deliver Tesla's mail. They aren't striking against their employer.
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