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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mupuff1234 »

kjksf wrote: post #71
addicted wrote: post #19

> "I just don't like anything which creates a lords and peasants sort of thing," This is particularly ironic coming from Elon Musk, net worth $245Bn in a country where “44.2 million people lived in households that had difficulty getting enough food to feed everyone in 2022”

You should ask ChatGPT the following: "explain "lords and peasants"" It's a bit long to reproduce here but the gist of it is that lords had rights and privileges that peasants (serfs) didn't. Those privileges were not based on merit (e.g. you started a successful business and made lots of money) but on bloodline or being given the lord title by monarchy. Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime…

And why is organizing a strike to extract more value to yourself not also considered merit?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by sampo »

legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

> If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution?

Nordic countries actually have relatively weak labour laws. What might be handled in legislation in US (e.g. minimum wage), is handled in collective bargaining agreements, that are negotiated between trade unions and employers' associations.

And the trade unions and the employers' associations like it this way, that the power is in their hands, and not in legislation. A government that would try to step on their turf, would be asking for a lot of trouble.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by kryptiskt »

capitalism22 wrote: post #65
notaustinpowers wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Sweden, Denmark, and Norway have some of the highest wealth per adult considering their size and labor practices, I think they're doing just fine. Don't wanna play by Swedish rules? Don't go to Sweden.

Based on these events, Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences.

This system has been in place for almost 100 years. Literally all other multinational companies shrug and negotiate an agreement with the unions, they know that Swedes are pretty cheap labor all told and that strikes are exceedingly rare here. The only reason Tesla is having problems is because Elon Musk is on an ideological crusade, there is no way this is economically rational.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

yreg wrote: post #85
toxik wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and they don’t. The workers do.

I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?

They can't decide based on personal views. That is illegal. It's only legal during a strike.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by oldpersonintx »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wharvle »

kjksf wrote: post #71
addicted wrote: post #19

> "I just don't like anything which creates a lords and peasants sort of thing," This is particularly ironic coming from Elon Musk, net worth $245Bn in a country where “44.2 million people lived in households that had difficulty getting enough food to feed everyone in 2022”

You should ask ChatGPT the following: "explain "lords and peasants"" It's a bit long to reproduce here but the gist of it is that lords had rights and privileges that peasants (serfs) didn't. Those privileges were not based on merit (e.g. you started a successful business and made lots of money) but on bloodline or being given the lord title by monarchy. Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime…

> Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime at twitter where Twitter was the monarchy (i.e. the king) bestowing status of a lord (blue checkmark) not based on objective merit but based completely on whims of Twitter.

He used the phrase the other day as explicitly the reason he doesn’t like unions. It was part of that interview that was full of painful awkwardness and “holy shit, did he really just say that?” moments, in which he constantly exuded big dude-everyone-avoids-at-the-party energy, which left us all wondering which drugs he was on, so we can avoid them.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by capitalism22 »

InCityDreams wrote: post #82
capitalism22 wrote: post #34

[flagged]

>There's all the evidence in the world that it's the best way to make everyone wealthy and improve standard of living, Link to evidence?

Do you also need a link to evidence stating the sky is blue? Do your own homework.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by robertlagrant »

bayindirh wrote: post #80
gottorf wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

Unionization shouldn't be there to disrupt another company. It should be there so you can bargain against your employer. This seems really inappropriate.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

We had the same conversation the last time it was posted. It’s exhausting.

Sweden is not the USA.

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