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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by kjksf »

addicted wrote: post #19

> "I just don't like anything which creates a lords and peasants sort of thing," This is particularly ironic coming from Elon Musk, net worth $245Bn in a country where “44.2 million people lived in households that had difficulty getting enough food to feed everyone in 2022”

You should ask ChatGPT the following: "explain "lords and peasants""

It's a bit long to reproduce here but the gist of it is that lords had rights and privileges that peasants (serfs) didn't.

Those privileges were not based on merit (e.g. you started a successful business and made lots of money) but on bloodline or being given the lord title by monarchy.

Musk made this comment in the context old blue checkmark regime at twitter where Twitter was the monarchy (i.e. the king) bestowing status of a lord (blue checkmark) not based on objective merit but based completely on whims of Twitter. And everyone else was a peasant: no blue checkmark and no way of escaping the status of a peasant other than hoping the King (Twitter) will bestow that status onto you.

In capitalistic society some people have more money than others. What makes capitalistic society different than feudal society is that everyone has the same right under law (even if that's not perfectly implemented) and you're not forever bound to low status in society. You can go from a peasant to a lord.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by dragontamer »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

UPS and FedEx are mail delivery companies that are completely unrelated to US Government.

I dunno much about Europe but if it's a private company, then rules and services are obviously different.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kryptiskt wrote: post #22

The biggest problem for Tesla right now is that they can't get registration plates since the appeals court reversed the lower court's decision about allowing them to get them during the suit against the transport authority and failing to convince the court in the PostNord suit that they should get temporary relief during that suit.

> they should get temporary relief during that suit

Sure, from Tesla. We're talking about a purchase and sale between private parties and a contract dispute between private parties.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bborud »

addicted wrote: post #19

> "I just don't like anything which creates a lords and peasants sort of thing," This is particularly ironic coming from Elon Musk, net worth $245Bn in a country where “44.2 million people lived in households that had difficulty getting enough food to feed everyone in 2022”

It is not so much ironic as it is disingenuous on Mr. Musk's part. We don't have to pretend that Elon doesn't understand this. It's okay to call bullshit.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by jsiepkes »

toxik wrote: post #51
gottorf wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

Right, and they don’t. The workers do.

Should a mail worker be able to decide who gets their mail and who don't?

For example as a mail worker should I be able to opt out from delivering mail to politicians whose political statements I find deplorable?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

capitalism22 wrote: post #65
notaustinpowers wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering Sweden, Denmark, and Norway have some of the highest wealth per adult considering their size and labor practices, I think they're doing just fine. Don't wanna play by Swedish rules? Don't go to Sweden.

Based on these events, Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences.

> Sweden absolutely will lose out on billions of FDI. Actions have consequences.

Zero precedent for this. Scandinavia has had the same economic model since WWII. There is a pattern of foreign companies naïvely blundering into it. But that has never changed that it's a valuable (i.e. wealthy, capitalist and early adopting) beachhead into Europe, from America, and the West, from Asia.

This fight Tesla got itself into was avoidable and predictable. The escalation, too, to the region and--soon enough--continent, is also as predictable as it is unavoidable (absent a course correction from Tesla).

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by actionfromafar »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

The government isn't meddling in the daily operation of Postnord. They can, via the board, replace the CEO. A blunt tool. The privileged function that is serving mail is clearly defined by law, but the right to strike is also clearly defined in law.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by bayindirh »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this.

This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

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