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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by nicoco »

zxt_tzx wrote: post #71
dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

I think it's interesting to contrast this with music. Music is dominated by a few big labels, which makes it very easy for each provider (Spotify, Apple Music etc.) to provide a complete catalogue and thus convenience. (Though this does mean Spotify's unit economics are much worse, partially explaining the foray into podcasts and recent layoffs etc.) Furthermore, whereas we hardly rewatch the same movies, we constant…

> I am not particularly ideological about copyright/piracy one way or another, but I know I probably won't be pirating music anytime soon.

And yet, if musicians being able to pay the bills is your concern, saving what you pay to spotify and buying a few albums on bandcamp instead is possibly the way to go.

From https://neurodifferent.me/@clowncollege/109994297731928004 :

> I've been a professional musician since the end days of selling CDs, and I would like to say that having experienced the decline of CD sales because of piracy transition into the paid streaming era it's unambiguous that musicians were better off when mostly everyone was pirating and then some people bought CDs or other merch out of a desire to support vs today when everyone pays a nominal fee to a corporation that pays us nothing and also satisfies their desire to support despite not actually offering support.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

DeathArrow wrote: post #118
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the question.

When talking about new, great content, parent mentioned only sci-fi and fantasy content: Marvel TV Shows, Wheel of Time, Foundation, House of the Dragon, the Mandalorian, Rings of Power, etc So, it seemed that if you are into that stuff, you have some amazing content. But what if you are not?

Sorry, I was trying to be funny...

Context switch: I think I'll be forever disappointed that The Peripheral got axed.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ghaff »

hoosieree wrote: post #132
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Paid streamed content should do something like mobile virtual network operators, so people can pay for what they use. Currently only piracy provides this service, and paid content services are choosing legislation over competition. The established players really should be working on this, because it's only a matter of time before some pirate service turns legit and eats all their lunches.

You can buy/rent streaming content a la carte in many cases (modulo exclusives to a streaming service). Given the prevalence of all you can eat streaming, I think many people forget this.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

HideousKojima wrote: post #140
flkenosad wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention archiving. I trust anon pirates to keep content unaltered and available more than any single centralized organization.

Like how the only way to watch the Michael Jackson episode of the Simpsons is to either buy secondhand copies of the DVDs, or pirate.

Let's not mention the original cuts of Star Wars.

Pirates are (involuntary) archivists.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by tjpnz »

I agree with the arguments on fragmentation being an issue but I do wonder to what degree it's the content being produced. There's a reason why the recent South Park resonated with so many, and if you think it's because of bigotry you're not really getting it. People will hesitate when asked to pay money for a product they feel isn't genuine, regardless of how they view the world.

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Post by sensanaty »

scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Yep, GabeN has always been right on the ball with this. I stopped pirating games altogether and have like 900 games on Steam at this point. I still pirate music, shows, movies and software quite liberally, mostly because trying to find what content is on which platform is a massive hassle. Jellyfin + sonarr/radarr makes it completely painless plus I actually own the files and they can never be retroactively removed, so why on earth would I go with the alternative?

I still pay for stuff on Bandcamp, but that's not because it's easier but because I want to support the artists I enjoy more directly.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by sensanaty »

nicolaslem wrote: post #116
al_borland wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price is part of it, and paying customers should never have a worse experience than those getting something for free. With DRM, activation severs that can be shut down, exclusivity deals, and fragmentation of marketplaces… paying customers often get a worse experience.

I wish Valve used their weight to cut down on the DRM, online activation and micro-transaction bullshit.

Steam's DRM is optional (edit: by this I mean it's a checkbox that the devs can tick if they want Steam DRM for their game) and extremely lightweight to be fair, and it's been cracked for 2 decades at this point as well.

MTX and Always-Online BS is also down to the individual games, nothing Steam can do about it realistically.

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Post by Youden »

zxt_tzx wrote: post #71
dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

I think it's interesting to contrast this with music. Music is dominated by a few big labels, which makes it very easy for each provider (Spotify, Apple Music etc.) to provide a complete catalogue and thus convenience. (Though this does mean Spotify's unit economics are much worse, partially explaining the foray into podcasts and recent layoffs etc.) Furthermore, whereas we hardly rewatch the same movies, we constant…

I don't think it's that music is dominated by a few big labels. Film and television is substantially dominated by a comparably small group of organizations.

The difference is that music licensing has for the most part not been split into channels or subject to exclusive licensing. Music availability has usually been somewhat universal. If one radio station can air a track, most of the others can too. If one store can sell a record or CD, most of the others can too. If one streaming service can stream something, most of the others can too.

With movies and TV, this hasn't really been the case. Typically, one cable TV channel will license the content exclusively, so if you want to consume that content, you need that channel.

The video streaming model we see today is just a natural continuation of the previous business model based on competing through exclusivity. This isn't to say that it makes sense, just that that's the difference of the two.

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Post by nehal3m »

WithinReason wrote: post #134
nehal3m wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mind paying for a service at all; I'll happily switch one service for another every month or few months. The main sticking point the diaspora causes for me is I can't find what I want. Maybe some people subscribe to a service and happily browse and watch what's available. I'm not a huge show or movie buff so I tend to go by personal recommendations so for me the process is flipped. I start with a movie or a s…

It's easy to find where to stream a show from: https://www.justwatch.com https://reelgood.com/

I'm sure that works well in the US. In my locale not so much.
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