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Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

mandmandam wrote: post #487
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #484

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I don't agree with that. If blasting music can be a matter for legislation (nuisance laws and the like), then so can bothering people around you with the reek of smoking weed.

As mentioned, there are already laws around smoking in public. OP is complaining that he might get a whiff coming from his neighbors house.

https://www.greenstate.com/explained/where-is-it-legal-to-sm...

> In a few states, however, public consumption is completely tolerated or allowed in licensed lounges and designated areas.

And the laws as is make it easy for people to lie to the police about exactly where they were when they were smoking the weed.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Post by digging »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #476
InSteady wrote: post #338

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Nine times out of ten, when there's a news piece about a senator advocating for privacy and constitutional rights with regards to tech, it's senator Wyden. He's on the senate intelligence committee and has a decent track record of getting shit done with bipartisan support, so he's not just virtue signaling for votes either (not to mention that he's basically unbeatable in state election with all the support he has in…

I know it's the Oregonian in me and getting to meet him as a kid where he spent a decent amount of time with my class, but he strikes me as a senator that Oregon can be proud of. I might not agree with him on everything, but in my personal opinion, he's advocating and pushing for change on what he personally believes in. Makes me wish my current senator was more like that.

> he's advocating and pushing for change on what he personally believes in

That's certainly a step above many of the grifters we have in government, but it's also not necessarily a good thing. People can truly believe in stuff that's harmful or flat out wrong.

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Post by frumper »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #435
frumper wrote: post #287

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Congress created these agencies, they can write laws that fundamentally change how they work, what they do, and what they focus on. They can even just disband these agencies. Congress has all of the power it needs. If they don't use it, maybe what you think should happen doesn't align with the majority of Congress.

You're assuming that the shadow government can't or won't institute regime change when it's threatened. The US Government killed a president, why wouldn't it blackmail congress as well?

With this belief, does anything really matter?

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Post by [deleted] »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #453
drekk wrote: post #447

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It's already not legal to smoke in public for weed and in most places for cigarettes. Frankly I don't think outright prohibition addresses that any better than the existing system. Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses. In all seriousness, Utah sounds like your ideal so long as you stay outside of Salt Lake City. I'm glad to no longer be a resident

> Utah sounds like your ideal Not enough trees. Nor enough employment in my non-remoteable field. Public smoking is a concern, but the smoke will leak even if smoked inside of a home. With edibles and inhalers I don't understand why people thought it was a good idea to legalize marijuana smoking. > Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses. Generalizing the principle of the swingi…

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Post by standardUser »

verisimi wrote: post #465
standardUser wrote: post #405

The only way out of this mess is with new laws and that will require new lawmakers. Any other solution - relying on the kindness of corporations, toiling away with obscure technologies, gong 'off the grid' - are all foolish or unrealistic for 99% or so of people and shouldn't even be considered. The most promising starting point is probably at the state level.

You want the state to write laws to prevent it spying on its citizens?

I want legislators to pass laws that prevent spying by the executive branch. I don't care who writes them.

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Post by standardUser »

cronix wrote: post #416
standardUser wrote: post #405

The only way out of this mess is with new laws and that will require new lawmakers. Any other solution - relying on the kindness of corporations, toiling away with obscure technologies, gong 'off the grid' - are all foolish or unrealistic for 99% or so of people and shouldn't even be considered. The most promising starting point is probably at the state level.

I'm not sure new laws will matter much considering they've been breaking the existing laws through creative interpretation.

Just because laws don't matter 100% of the time does not mean they don't matter. And the solution to better enforcement of laws is the same as the solution to passing better laws: elect better lawmakers.

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Post by standardUser »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #445
cronix wrote: post #416

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I'm not sure new laws will matter much considering they've been breaking the existing laws through creative interpretation.

This legal structure of governance already kills so many people unintentionally, it's unethical to keep trying to reform it when it was designed from flawed principles. Time for a full redesign.

And if they shoot you dead first, you're cool with that? For the cause?

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Post by scarface_74 »

dylan604 wrote: post #211
scarface_74 wrote: post #81

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I mean wanting to put people in jail for using their first amendment rights is kind of big deal.

and yet a leading candidate for the highest office is promoting exactly this, and has a large percentage of the population in full support.

As long as you are putting “them” in jail, it doesn’t matter

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diebeforei485 wrote: post #488

Push notifications are sent from an app server to an individual device, correct? And the device enrolls with the server for receiving push notifications. Why isn't there key exchange happening at the time of enrollment? Why is it something apps have to manually do? We moved the web to https everywhere for a reason, why are apps behind the web in privacy? Potentially stupid question - how is iMessage encrypted end to…

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