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Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Given a lot of journalists and activists use encrypted communications to be able to do their job without being unduly or unjustly persecuted (yes, the bad guys use them too!), and 12 US State Attorney Generals just signed a letter and delivered it to the major news agencies (NYT, CNN, Reuters, AP, etc.) that warns of any "support to terrorist organizations" and specifically points out Hamas, but is not very clear on…

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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how do they guarantee that everything is protected and they don’t share data with someone?

How would you want that qualified exactly?

This is a question you would ask if you/they had already provided some evidence for the claim and it was deemed insufficient. Making a bold claim should come with some ability to justify it ready-to-go.

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We at the Home Assistant Companion for iOS team have been wanting to implement end to end encryption for our push notifications for a while now but Apple has denied our request for the com.apple.developer.usernotifications.filtering [0] entitlement multiple times. Wondering if with today's news we could apply again and get it. For context, we are sending ~35 million push notifications per month on iOS and ~67 million…

for my understanding, you need that entitlement so you can send an encrypted invisible notification which you can then decrypt locally in your app and push out again as a local notification that doesn't go over the network (i.e. not use apns)? Or is doing this kind of stuff just weirdly tied to that specific entitlement?

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Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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If I’m not mistaken they’re called NSLs and the legality of them when challenged are reviewed by a secret court with secret laws that have secret interpretations of words. The whole thing as far as I can tell is an out of control nightmare and our corrupt congress doesn’t give a shit.

Actually quite a few members of congress do give a shit. Unfortunately they're the same members of congress maligned as MAGA extremists or whatever (in some cases that might be accurate, but it doesn't mean they're wrong about every political position they hold). If you actually take a second to listen to Matt Gaetz, for example, you might be surprised to learn his (rather principled) positions are much closer to tho…

I meant Congress as a body doesn’t care, which IMHO is proven by the fact that decade after decade congress as a body does nothing to remedy these problems. Actually the 1984 nightmare just gets worse.

Support from members here and there is nice but in reality for the 20 years I’ve been paying attention has resulted in nothing.

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Would be great to see an example of notification metadata that can supposedly link it to real users. Seems like this is what is being implied: Given: - users with notifications enabled - have X app installed - targeted user(s) reside in USA - targeted users(s) following “foo” on X app When: - issue FISA warrant for all smartphone users that received notifications in regards to “foo” user Then: - able to pull all Appl…

Apple's own developer documentation outlines how notifications can trigger when crossing a physical boundary. Apps notifications can trigger if you enter a "protest zone" for example then gov will know everyone who was there.

California with the support of Gavin Newsom is building "no go" zones for wildfire response. Sounds OK except - a video recording of a local Mayor at a wildfire update press conference, asking with deference, when the main highway to his town will re-open, and the response from a tense and aggressive CHP leader was "maybe that road will be closed for six months, maybe next year" with no respect... instantly snapped at a Mayor, on camera. How are these zones decided upon? "immediate area" is not what was being done in that event.

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Ron Ryden has been barking up this tree for a long time: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/secret-law https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-colle... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-intro... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/priorities/gps-act https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-relea...

Nine times out of ten, when there's a news piece about a senator advocating for privacy and constitutional rights with regards to tech, it's senator Wyden. He's on the senate intelligence committee and has a decent track record of getting shit done with bipartisan support, so he's not just virtue signaling for votes either (not to mention that he's basically unbeatable in state election with all the support he has in…

I know it's the Oregonian in me and getting to meet him as a kid where he spent a decent amount of time with my class, but he strikes me as a senator that Oregon can be proud of. I might not agree with him on everything, but in my personal opinion, he's advocating and pushing for change on what he personally believes in. Makes me wish my current senator was more like that.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Just an evil life pro-tip... if you're doing criminal things, leave your phone at home. Or better yet, grab a "buddy's" phone.

Here is a better pro-tip- don't do criminal things.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." -- Cardinal Richelieu [1]

[1] https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/23785/what-did-r...

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Is this a timing side channel attack, where say I am a member of a Signal group, or have a Proton email client or Matrix/Element or something, are they sending patterns of beacon messages that may look normal, and then watching the traffic across mobile networks (or directly on platforms) that matches, and then narrowing endpoints that show it?

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It's already not legal to smoke in public for weed and in most places for cigarettes. Frankly I don't think outright prohibition addresses that any better than the existing system. Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses. In all seriousness, Utah sounds like your ideal so long as you stay outside of Salt Lake City. I'm glad to no longer be a resident

> Utah sounds like your ideal Not enough trees. Nor enough employment in my non-remoteable field. Public smoking is a concern, but the smoke will leak even if smoked inside of a home. With edibles and inhalers I don't understand why people thought it was a good idea to legalize marijuana smoking. > Nor do I see how having bodily autonomy is necessarily a tyranny of the masses. Generalizing the principle of the swingi…

Your sense of smell is subjective, and not a good reason for legislation.

You do know that, right? I'm not detecting any humour markers...

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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> strong legal basis and case law going back to Terry I frankly don't care what's legal or not at this point. The surveillance and police state has gotten out of control, and needs to be rolled back. If we constantly just accept past precedent as dictating our future, our rights will be chipped away one by one. I don't want to live in a society where I can be stopped and asked for identification by law enforcement at…

> I frankly don't care what's legal or not at this point. Oh, but you should - your freedom may depend on it. > police state has gotten out of control, and needs to be rolled back Maybe, but this is the world we presently find ourselves living in, and we can either choose to become empowered with knowledge about it, or throw a hyperbolic tantrum and wish for the moon. > I don't want to live in a society where I can b…

> You don't, at least not in the US. If you took more time to care about the laws you decry, you would know there is no such requirement, unless you have been suspected of a crime by a lawful sworn agent of the state.

If you took the time to read the article I sent you, you would know that CBP asserts that it has the right to get onto any bus at any time and demand to see proof of citizenship for anyone on board.

You can wave the book at me all day long, but what actually matters is how the law is implemented in practice, and it's pretty clear that law enforcement does, in fact, claim the right to stop anyone at any time and ask for ID.

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