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This reminds me, whatever happened to mesh networks? If you wanted to be out and about in public, you could simply carry a very anonymized device that had only more basic abilities. But among those abilities, you could certain send messages and maybe even smaller-sized files - all over a mesh network. Feds could infiltrate it, but it wouldn't be nearly as trivial as it is right now. And users could rotate their devic…

I wonder if Apple's Airtag devices use mesh networking of some sort.

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It's crazy to me that so much effort is being expended pretending that companies and the government are doing anything in the name of privacy, when we have all the proof by Assange and Snowden that they're doing realtime surveillance of ALL communications, 24x7 -- no matter what any laws say -- and we don't even talk about it any more. What's the point of any of this? All we can do is assume that our every position,…

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So, don’t have Twitter account and/or app installed and you should be good?

Protip: the harder a company pushes you to download their app, the more they have to gain from it. 99.999% of the time it's because they want access to as much of your data as they can sneak out of your device, usually for selling it. One notable corollary is, the shittier the mobile browser webapp implementation is, the more they want to push people onto their app. See: Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Exactly this. Never install a company's app unless you absolutely need to. Use websites instead whenever possible. If you do need to install an app, uninstall it as soon as possible even if you know you'll need it again at some point.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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It's crazy to me that so much effort is being expended pretending that companies and the government are doing anything in the name of privacy, when we have all the proof by Assange and Snowden that they're doing realtime surveillance of ALL communications, 24x7 -- no matter what any laws say -- and we don't even talk about it any more. What's the point of any of this? All we can do is assume that our every position,…

The only real way to fix this in the US is via election reform.

The GOP is trying to create an apartheid state where minority rural areas dictate the laws for the majorities that live in urban areas while they extract resources from those areas.

They know this is incredibly unpopular, so they don't even pretend they're trying to get the majority of the vote in most places. Instead, they've been trying to set vote thresholds to > 60% for ballot measures and stripping authority from all elected offices that aren't subject to gerrymandering.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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Are they though? How about the FDA getting most of its funding by the companies they are supposed to regulate? It's comforting to just trust that bureaucracies are doing what's good for the country, but also naive. https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/e4a791060... How about the NSA spying on congress? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-ber... How about the ATF making up laws? https…

Congress created these agencies, they can write laws that fundamentally change how they work, what they do, and what they focus on. They can even just disband these agencies. Congress has all of the power it needs. If they don't use it, maybe what you think should happen doesn't align with the majority of Congress.

You're assuming that the shadow government can't or won't institute regime change when it's threatened. The US Government killed a president, why wouldn't it blackmail congress as well?

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Ron Ryden has been barking up this tree for a long time: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/issues/secret-law https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-colle... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-intro... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/priorities/gps-act https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-relea...

Gosh I am so happy to have like the best senator in the senate next to Bernie Sanders in Oregon. Oregon is an extremely based state. Y'all crap on PDX but the reality is that we have more freedom and less tyranny here than in any other state in the nation, and possibly in the world. PDX is "bad" because it's one of the only places in the world that hated the cops enough to actually muzzle them - and not living in fea…

> Want to smoke weed?

The tyranny of the masses is still a tyranny. I'd personally like to move to a state where all smoking, but at least weed smoking, is illegal. I really don't like second hand smoke, especially when it smells and hangs as much as weed smoke does.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

#437

It's crazy to me that so much effort is being expended pretending that companies and the government are doing anything in the name of privacy, when we have all the proof by Assange and Snowden that they're doing realtime surveillance of ALL communications, 24x7 -- no matter what any laws say -- and we don't even talk about it any more. What's the point of any of this? All we can do is assume that our every position,…

It's also crazy to me that people are frequently arguing over what is the best security app to use for communication arguing over privacy maximalist viewpoints but not considering the old and have forgotten the major flaw we learned about from PGP: can't decrypt, please resend unencrypted. It doesn't matter how good your encryption is if no one will use it. Pareto is a bitch. (This is a crack at the Signal vs Threema or whatever app is hot this month and we discuss next month. But when usernames?)

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

#438

This reminds me, whatever happened to mesh networks? If you wanted to be out and about in public, you could simply carry a very anonymized device that had only more basic abilities. But among those abilities, you could certain send messages and maybe even smaller-sized files - all over a mesh network. Feds could infiltrate it, but it wouldn't be nearly as trivial as it is right now. And users could rotate their devic…

Apple AirDrop was basically this, but they neutered it at the request of the Chinese government. It still works, but it automatically turns itself off every 30 minutes, so you can't (for instance) opt-in to allowing people to automatically push uncensored news to your phone during your daily commute (without interacting with the phone every half hour).

(It isn't technically a mesh, since it doesn't support multi-hop routing. Still, it is peer to peer, and doesn't require a data connection.)

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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It's crazy to me that so much effort is being expended pretending that companies and the government are doing anything in the name of privacy, when we have all the proof by Assange and Snowden that they're doing realtime surveillance of ALL communications, 24x7 -- no matter what any laws say -- and we don't even talk about it any more. What's the point of any of this? All we can do is assume that our every position,…

Unfortunately, the constitution isnt very clear on privacy. It should be. There should be a new amendment which makes it crystal clear that the Patriot Act, for example, is completely unconstitutional. But what the 14th amendment says is that people and their property are protected against searches by the government wherever there is a “reasonable expectation of privacy.” That and some combination of other details im…

> IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

> X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Operating a surveillance apparatus isn't an enumerated power of the federal government. The courts screwed up by reading its enumerated powers so unreasonably broadly that this even came up.

Re: Governments spying on Apple, Google users through push notifications

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> " "In this case, the federal government prohibited us from sharing any information," the company said in a statement. "Now that this method has become public we are updating our transparency reporting to detail these kinds of requests." " When they were building the CSAM detector: "what if the government asks you to extend the detection to include other media such as political meme images?" "we would refuse".

Being prohibited from disclosure does not in any way refute their promise to refuse. It would make it hard to prove one way or the other, but that is not the same problem.

But if they fail in their refusal, we would not know. So you have to treat it as if they have already failed and plan accordingly.
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