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Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by wnevets »

DoItToMe81 wrote: post #69
wnevets wrote: post #21

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Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins. Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.

Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use. I have never, ever seen another OS so intent on resetting my settings and reverting what I've installed. I even had a case where Windows Defender was removing cracked software even after being disabled.

> Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use.

What poweruser things are you trying to do that Windows 11 prevents?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by JohnTHaller »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #20
feoren wrote: post #13

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Another way to incentivize companies to stop relying on specific OS versions is to stop making every successive version ever more user-hostile and jammed with adware, spyware, and dark patterns.

Can you name adware, spyware or dark patterns that are present in win11 that weren't present in win10?

Windows 11 tries to trick you into thinking your files aren't backed up if you don't back them up into OneDrive via a flashing button right in Windows Explorer. You'll quickly run out of space and have to pay to increase it. And running out of space will shut down your Hotmail/Outlook email account connected to your install.

Windows 10 and 11 both try to trick you into switching from a local login to a cloud login. And in that process trick you into putting your Documents, Desktop, etc into the OneDrive cloud. As you run out of space, your connected Hotmail/Outlook account will shut down until you pay them to increase the space.

My Dad's 80+ year old neighbor had this happen to her. She couldn't figure out why she wasn't able to email pictures back and forth with her daughter. And she was already paying for Carbonite cloud backup. It took me an hour to get it all sorted out.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by timw4mail »

josephcsible wrote: post #39
Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

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At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

What about ReactOS?

ReactOS barely works...and last I knew it was at XP-level support for applications.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by steffanA »

sophacles wrote: post #64
steffanA wrote: post #62

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Because the title makes it sounds like Microsoft will charge for any security update in the future. These are for end of life products and it is very common for companies to require additional support contracts to keep supporting them. You do not have to continue using said version of Windows, upgrades are now essentially free, and as long as you are on a supported version of Windows, you will continue to get free se…

The title says "for windows 10 updates". I don't understand how that suggests anything about other versions of windows, upgrade paths, or anything else misleading. Also, the article has all the info you replied with, and as i said - some of that is new to me. (Last time I ran windows in any serious way was a laptop that didn't have good linux support... That was when xp was the latest version. I just don't track MS v…

Title is clickbait. I am sure the content of the article clears it up, but the title implies Microsoft is forcing all users to pay for normal security updates.

In reality, it's your choice to stay on an end-of-support OS and purchase updates if you wish to remain secure.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by GoofGarage »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #46
GoofGarage wrote: post #25

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So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

I've bookmarked your guide, and will use it when I setup a W11 machine in 2025. I haven't used 11 yet, but I understand the taskbar is no longer full length and is now more like the mac dock. Is there a fix for that other than installing something like OpenShell?

It’s not that it’s not full length, it’s that it’s center aligned by default. It’s a very quick change to left-align it again, and that’s in the guide.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by GoofGarage »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #57
GoofGarage wrote: post #25

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So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

This is gods work. But it also convinced me to not install windows 11. In particular the post install notes is such a massive amount of labor to get what I get out of the box with other OS. I’m now 100% convinced to not upgrade, and hold hope that Linux gaming as driven by valve matures into something usable by the time win10 becomes non-viable. Regardless awesome guide thank you.

I don’t disagree. In terms of wall clock time, I do run through my entire guide prior to every release and it’s about one total hour including the installation of the OS itself, and I’d say 40 minutes or so is part 3, which is the bulk of the guide.

I don’t disagree that it shouldn’t be necessary, though thankfully it’s a one time cost.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

GoofGarage wrote: post #75
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #46

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I've bookmarked your guide, and will use it when I setup a W11 machine in 2025. I haven't used 11 yet, but I understand the taskbar is no longer full length and is now more like the mac dock. Is there a fix for that other than installing something like OpenShell?

It’s not that it’s not full length, it’s that it’s center aligned by default. It’s a very quick change to left-align it again, and that’s in the guide.

Got it, thanks.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by zitterbewegung »

patmorgan23 wrote: post #59
zitterbewegung wrote: post #8

I’m going to probably delete all data and lock it down so that I can only use it for games and get YouTube and discord running on my iPad or some other device. It’s practically there already.

Since the steam deck got released, Valve has really been investing in the steam compatibility layer and you can run most of Steams library on Linux. It's all open source too so you can install proton/lutris separately if you want. And developer's have more incentive to actually support their game on Linux (or at least running through those compatibility layers)

I don’t care because I play Destiny 2 and I have a Linux system I can use but it’s my lab computer

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by Workaccount2 »

JohnFen wrote: post #65
Workaccount2 wrote: post #56

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The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But…

> Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands. It's entirely possible to install and use Linux without touching the command line, just like with Windows. The days where command-line skills were required passed a long while back.

Hence why I added the line "great for grandmas".

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Post by Workaccount2 »

treyd wrote: post #68
Workaccount2 wrote: post #56

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The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But…

> But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands. Of course they're UX issues that could be improved, especially with Canonical trying to push Snap on people, but I'm more inclined to believe many peoples' exasperation with the Linux desktop experience is really due to long-standing familiarity with Windows. The things you "have to learn" as an enthusiast coming from the Windows ecosystem are things that by i…

Yes, correct, exactly.

So I need someone to make an OS with the longstanding windows user in mind. Using a GUI absolutely is easier. I need drop down lists and check boxes. Mouse hover tips and visual menus. Not some cryptographic string of command line arguments that I am futilely copy+pasting from some random web page.

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