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Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#31

Same as usual, they were doing this until just recently with Windows 7 updates https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-clien... Windows 8 didn't get an ESU program though, I have to assume because it didn't get the adoption of 7 and people mostly moved on to 10.

The difference is that the Windows 10 updates will be available as a subscription for regular consumers rather than being purely for enterprise customers. AFAIK this is a first for Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#32

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

Is there a fix for the insidious problem of updates changing your settings to less secure/privacy conscious ones or is that a constant fight we just have to fight if you're on windows?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#33
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or force you (the consumer) to upgrade to newer versions with hostile terms of service and/or applications. It works both ways.

This is a really negative take. They could also add hostile terms of service at other times or do hostile things. It's about cost and marketing. Windows N+1 will share a majority of code with Windows N. Microsoft would now have to maintain two copies of the code N and N+1. This is added cost. Alternatively Windows could do continuous releases, but this is less fun to market, and users might not like big changes happe…

It's amazing how nobody complains about this with any other operating system -- at least since Leopard/Snow Leopard (IIRC - that was the one that had major compatibility EOL).

The problem isn't the EOL. The problem is that the newer versions of Windows are user-hostile and the alternatives are being retired.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

Is there a fix for the insidious problem of updates changing your settings to less secure/privacy conscious ones or is that a constant fight we just have to fight if you're on windows?

Yes. There are suggestions in the guide regarding handling auto updates.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a fix for the insidious problem of updates changing your settings to less secure/privacy conscious ones or is that a constant fight we just have to fight if you're on windows?

Yes. There are suggestions in the guide regarding handling auto updates.

Thanks! I skimmed through but didn't see anything, appreciate the answer!

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#36
post #3

That's not what security updates are. They are fixes for errors in the original software. They are product recalls for dangerous product faults. You can't charge the customer because the product you shipped them was faulty.

Even by that analogy, product recalls laws often have limited duration. In the US car manufacturers are allowed to charge for recalls if the vehicle is more than 15 years old[1]. Consumer computers have a shorter average lifespan than vehicles, and generally aren't a life safety concern. Microsoft will be providing free updates for 4 years after Windows 10 was replaced by Windows 11, and free upgrades to Windows 11 if hardware supports it. There are arguments about whether that is an acceptable duration, but the idea of a limited duration in general is perfectly reasonable.

[1] Page 13 in https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/mvdefe...

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#37

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos.

I need windows sans microsoft.

Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers.

Windows but open source. Please.

Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my life.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#38

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

I put together a new PC and went Windows 11 on it and I have it configured (with a few tools) to be exactly like Windows 10. I also had my Windows 10 configured to be mostly like Windows 7.

With some pretty minor changes and maybe purchasing some inexpensive software, Windows 11 is quite decent. Whenever I visit a stock Windows 11 machine I am a bit horrified.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#39

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

What about ReactOS?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#40

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.
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