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Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Despite all the EOS dates and warnings, you can still get "free" monthly security updates for Windows 7 directly from Windows Update [1]. Windows 10 IoT LTSC support ends in 2032 [2]. If the trend continues, as long as you are OK with some morally dubious practices, you can get security updates for your installation for at least 10 years. [1] https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/up... [2] https:/…

What’s morally dubious about this?

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Network hardware vendors have been doing it for years, more money for Microsoft I guess.

Isn't that only Cisco? HPE Networking (and Procurve before it) at least used to provide firmware updates to their switches without cost. Hopefully that's not changed in recent years (no idea).

Juniper is another one that definitely charges/requires contract for updates. Can't remember who else off the top of my head.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Such BS clickbait. This article should be removed from Ycomb. Microsoft is not charging anyone for security updates unless you wish to use the operating system after end of life.

How exactly? The title appears to be a good summary of the article.

Edit response to parent edit: it's strange and worth an article. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I would assume end of life meant no more updates by any path.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Do you have a fix for the taskbar?

Fixing what? There are multiple sections in the guide addressing the task bar and start menu depending on what you’re looking to address.

You cannot drag files onto it to open in other programs or copy/move them, last I checked. This is a showstopper for my workflow. I just want to drag a file over my explorer icon, choose the window from the popup preview that I want to move it to, have the window get focus, and drop it in the window to move it. Or drag a file over a program icon, have the program get focus, and drop the file on it to open it. Apparently, that is too difficult to port from every previous version of Windows into v11. It sucks.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.

The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her.

But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

So I had similar concerns regarding Windows 11, but I sat down, learned how to clean it up, and put a Creative Commons open source guide for others to follow. I knew many other reluctant friends who are senior devs at prolific companies in the tech space, and with my guide they seem to have no real remaining complaints. It covers both the initial installation, as well as all my post-install recommendations. It elimin…

This is gods work. But it also convinced me to not install windows 11. In particular the post install notes is such a massive amount of labor to get what I get out of the box with other OS. I’m now 100% convinced to not upgrade, and hold hope that Linux gaming as driven by valve matures into something usable by the time win10 becomes non-viable.

Regardless awesome guide thank you.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

What are your major issues with W11? I just started using it for the first time recently because my work laptop came with it, and it is surprisingly smooth. There are some UI changes Im not a fan of, but its otherwise fast/snappy in a way Linux sometimes isnt for me.

My showstopper issue is that I cannot drag files onto the taskbar to open in other programs or copy/move them.

More details in my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38546849

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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I’m going to probably delete all data and lock it down so that I can only use it for games and get YouTube and discord running on my iPad or some other device. It’s practically there already.

Since the steam deck got released, Valve has really been investing in the steam compatibility layer and you can run most of Steams library on Linux. It's all open source too so you can install proton/lutris separately if you want.

And developer's have more incentive to actually support their game on Linux (or at least running through those compatibility layers)

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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post #51
post #47

Despite all the EOS dates and warnings, you can still get "free" monthly security updates for Windows 7 directly from Windows Update [1]. Windows 10 IoT LTSC support ends in 2032 [2]. If the trend continues, as long as you are OK with some morally dubious practices, you can get security updates for your installation for at least 10 years. [1] https://catalog.s.download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/up... [2] https:/…

What’s morally dubious about this?

For Windows 7 you have to manually force-install an update (from Microsoft) which unlocks further ESU updates. One can view this either as modifying software for ensuring interoperability (which is allowed in most of EU) or as bypassing DRM (which gets you a jail time under DMCA).

For Windows 10 you have to obtain Enterprise LTSC license. Those come only via volume-deals and are not officially available for us mere mortals. On the other hand, in EU reselling licenses is explicitly allowed (no matter what EULA tells you) and there are tons of dirt-cheap second-hand LTSC licenses. Again - one can see this as either outright stealing or exercising your consumer rights.

No idea how that applies to US laws.

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