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Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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So it is possible to turn off the advertisements in the OS and standard windows applications (that come with the OS)?

I don't know if I turned them off so much as avoid them entirely. Either way, I don't see any advertisements, links to tabloid articles, anything Bing, etc. Nothing at all. I would say it's identical to Windows 10 for me (which I also clean up a bit). I use StartAllBack for Start menu and task bar customization.

Cool, that sounds positive. :)

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Such BS clickbait. This article should be removed from Ycomb. Microsoft is not charging anyone for security updates unless you wish to use the operating system after end of life.

How exactly? The title appears to be a good summary of the article. Edit response to parent edit: it's strange and worth an article. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I would assume end of life meant no more updates by any path.

Because the title makes it sounds like Microsoft will charge for any security update in the future.

These are for end of life products and it is very common for companies to require additional support contracts to keep supporting them.

You do not have to continue using said version of Windows, upgrades are now essentially free, and as long as you are on a supported version of Windows, you will continue to get free security updates.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins. Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.

WinXP and 7 were the peak. I tolerated 10, but as of this year I no longer own a windows machine and do not plan on ever owning one again.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly? The title appears to be a good summary of the article. Edit response to parent edit: it's strange and worth an article. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I would assume end of life meant no more updates by any path.

Because the title makes it sounds like Microsoft will charge for any security update in the future. These are for end of life products and it is very common for companies to require additional support contracts to keep supporting them. You do not have to continue using said version of Windows, upgrades are now essentially free, and as long as you are on a supported version of Windows, you will continue to get free se…

The title says "for windows 10 updates". I don't understand how that suggests anything about other versions of windows, upgrade paths, or anything else misleading. Also, the article has all the info you replied with, and as i said - some of that is new to me. (Last time I ran windows in any serious way was a laptop that didn't have good linux support... That was when xp was the latest version. I just don't track MS very closely)

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.

The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But…

> Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

It's entirely possible to install and use Linux without touching the command line, just like with Windows. The days where command-line skills were required passed a long while back.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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Fixing what? There are multiple sections in the guide addressing the task bar and start menu depending on what you’re looking to address.

You cannot drag files onto it to open in other programs or copy/move them, last I checked. This is a showstopper for my workflow. I just want to drag a file over my explorer icon, choose the window from the popup preview that I want to move it to, have the window get focus, and drop it in the window to move it. Or drag a file over a program icon, have the program get focus, and drop the file on it to open it. Apparen…

Does the preview not open up? I run Windows 11 but I'm so old school that I don't group taskbar buttons and you drag a file to the taskbar it will bring the app into focus and I drop it on that app.

But I noticed that I don't get the preview when dragging over the button but that might also have something to do with my particular setup.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

#67

When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

If Microsoft sold a Windows No-Bullsh*t Edition it would sell like hotcakes. The core OS is as solid as ever (it literally just gets better every year) but then they layer on all the "new" stuff and it's confusing, ugly, and buggy.

I'm not totally against change but there's a lot of change in Windows that just doesn't many sense.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.

The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her. But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But…

> But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

Of course they're UX issues that could be improved, especially with Canonical trying to push Snap on people, but I'm more inclined to believe many peoples' exasperation with the Linux desktop experience is really due to long-standing familiarity with Windows. The things you "have to learn" as an enthusiast coming from the Windows ecosystem are things that by its conventions are done through graphical interfaces. Which doesn't make them easier, you've just already memorized them.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

Every time there is a new Windows people say this and also mention how the previous version was so much better. It reminds me of the US election cycle where people say they're gonna move to Canada if person A wins. Earlier this year I switched to Windows 11 then installed ExplorerPatcher, now its just like Windows 10 and I no longer care that is its Windows 11.

Because it strips out features, adds garbage in its place, and increasingly aggressively acts against powerusers. 10 and beyond are "good" as long as you don't go out of the tiny box of intended use.

I have never, ever seen another OS so intent on resetting my settings and reverting what I've installed. I even had a case where Windows Defender was removing cracked software even after being disabled.

Re: Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows 10 Security Updates

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When W10 finally stops getting updates, I'm almost certainly going to have to jump back to Linux on my gaming PC. Nothing on this Earth could make me use Windows 11. I highly doubt Windows 12 will be any better.

At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos. I need windows sans microsoft. Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers. Windows but open source. Please. Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my…

Try a distro with KDE, especially a rolling release distro like opensuse tumbleweed. KDE will feel a lot more like "good" windows.
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