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I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.
TFA also mentions Danish truckers. I’m not sure what the current state of Swedish land transport workers is in this regard, but given even the Swedish postal service has been refusing to deliver Tesla’s mail, I doubt they’ll be the weak link here.
Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't sound like a strike at all. They presumably are still working and getting paid their wages Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Next the power utility company workers are going to refuse to give Tesla electricity
> Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Brother/Sister, a strike can in principle be done for any reason.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#183I think that whole thing is just a huge misunderstanding of elmu thinking that whole world works like USA. And even in USA, union members in average earn 18% more than others. On the other side, strike and unionizing is one of basic workers rights here and you just don't fight unions in EU. As you will be losing more money than if you get to an agreement with them. When elmu started his crusade against unions, I was…
Are you referring to Elon as Elmo? Is this some new cringe term on Reddit ive yet to hear?
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Brother/Sister, a strike can in principle be done for any reason.
Sure but a strike implies not working at all
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
IIRC, Tesla is refusing to negotiate with an auto workers union in Sweden for a collective bargaining agreement. The other unions are targeting strikes in solidarity. Yes, it's legal, and standard.
* standard but rare. This really escalated after Tesla brought in strikebreakers and threatened the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government
That's not exactly true. It's a partnership between the government, the unions, and the employers with the government usually taking the role of mediator.
"The Swedish model & collective agreements – a brief introduction
The Swedish labour market model in a nutshell
In the Swedish labour market model, the social partners (trade unions and employers’ organisations) are responsible for wage formation. The social partners also have a key role in establishing other employment conditions in the labour market.
The legislation constitutes a framework that supports this model, for instance, through provisions on association and negotiation rights and the right to take industrial action. The social partners have significant autonomy to regulate the precise conditions through collective agreements. Many statutory regulations can be replaced with collective agreements. There is no legislation on minimum wages or universal application of agreements.
Another key feature of the Swedish model is that disputes are resolved in the first instance through negotiation. A prerequisite for the model is that collective agreements cover most of the employees on the labour market"
https://www.mi.se/app/uploads/the-swedish-model-and-collecti...
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#186This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).
I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#187I think that whole thing is just a huge misunderstanding of elmu thinking that whole world works like USA. And even in USA, union members in average earn 18% more than others. On the other side, strike and unionizing is one of basic workers rights here and you just don't fight unions in EU. As you will be losing more money than if you get to an agreement with them. When elmu started his crusade against unions, I was…
Are you referring to Elon as Elmo? Is this some new cringe term on Reddit ive yet to hear?
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
* standard but rare. This really escalated after Tesla brought in strikebreakers and threatened the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government
> the Swedish labour model which is built by Unions and not the government That's not exactly true. It's a partnership between the government, the unions, and the employers with the government usually taking the role of mediator. "The Swedish model & collective agreements – a brief introduction The Swedish labour market model in a nutshell In the Swedish labour market model, the social partners (trade unions and empl…
Fwiw I live in Sweden and am a member of its largest Union
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#189From what I understand Tesla employees in Sweden do not want to join a/the union. The IF Metall union I believe. So these actions are unions trying to force people to do something they don't want to do. If people are happy working for Tesla without a union (stock options, flexible work rules, etc.) from my (American) perspective, why should they be forced to create an additional administrative system you would have t…
Wikipedia says that 87% of swedish employees work at workplaces which have collective agreements. So it's not everyone, but pretty much.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> claim he's an antisemite We saw the tweets (it wasn't just the one) he boosted and agreed with. You can absolutely be a 'real' and authentic person without promoting that kind of garbage. I don't think I'm alone in having previously thought he was perhaps a bit eccentric, but involved in some cool stuff. I lost a lot of respect for him though.
It sounds like you've made up your mind that he is antisemitic, so this might be in vain, but see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38544345
We all screw up, and IDK, maybe once could be like "uh, sorry, I was really high and not at all myself and I did this thing", but a repeated pattern is enough to convince me that where there's smoke, there's fire.
I don't take any pleasure in it. I preferred thinking he was a bit weird (but who isn't) and doing some cool things.