I would love to see an EU wide movement.
The EU economy is doing so great, we can surely afford to introduce even more bureaucracy around doing business - perhaps even a new, separate committee that all business has to go through!
Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. What does any of that have to do with building the best products?
> His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. Then why piss off advertisers?
You're trying to find a rational reason for impulsive behavior. There is no "why". He thought the anti-semitic meme was funny/right without thinking too much about it. Then he got mad at advertisers for, as he thought, trying to rein him in.
If you want proof that Elon isn't too concerned about making good products, try using Twitter/X without being logged in. The experience is significantly worse than before the takeover.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#73This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).
That doesn't sound like a strike at all. They presumably are still working and getting paid their wages
Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs.
Next the power utility company workers are going to refuse to give Tesla electricity
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#74From what I understand the strikers aren't asking for more money or anything specific other than Tesla to honor collective bargaining with unions Tesla cannot have different deals with different shops, has to respect what it agrees with unions.
From what I understand only a small portion of Tesla workers are on strike. It's mostly union members working at other companies and institutions who are striking. E.g. the postal office workers refused to deliver Tesla's mail which is baffling to me.
I get that proper unions are pretty baffling from a US perspective, where people don't mind having thousands peeing in bottles at work at Amazon as long as they get the spoon they ordered the next day.
Us Scandinavians on the other hand find it pretty baffling that someone would just roll over to a megalomaniac who clearly states he would like to destroy what makes our countries great, our unions and working conditions.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's also what's crippling progress in many places in Eastern Europe. Depressed wages and fighting on price only to be assembly plant for higher-tech components does not let you build local prosperity, it makes you fungible cheap labour.
Better to be a fungible labour on the assembly plant than be without the work. The alternative for eastern Europeans always was to go to UK or Germany and be a fungible labour there. Current strategy increased quality of life in EE countries. So far that in main cities in Poland housing prices are 4000-5000 USD per square meter.
Housing prices are so high because there's not enough housing and sellers can dictate prices. And that prosperity isn't due to low-paid fungible labour, although believe me, the stereotypical polish boss tries hard to drive down the price of labour...
And while it's better to be with work than without, living paycheck to paycheck in fear is not that great either, and doesn't exactly provide ways out. So sometimes we're left with just what solidarity we can arrange without legal representation, like the time entirety of one of my former workplaces left the job one day for what american management did to one of them.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not true, eastern Europe has strong labour laws. World leading companies were moving to eastern Europe because it was cheap. Both land and labour. In some cases comparable to china. It is an outsourcing hub, way to cut costs. You get same skill (or even more) in Poland as you can get in Germany, but for half price and slightly less bureaucracy.
>That is not true, eastern Europe has strong labour laws. Maybe compared to the US, but not compared to France, Germany or Nordics. >World leading companies were moving to eastern Europe because it was cheap. Both land and labour. The "cheap-ness" of labor is also related on the availability and strength of unions, lack of bureaucracy and red tape, taxes, worker's rights and social benefits, not just on their local s…
In Poland it is extremely hard to fire an individual with regular employment agreement.
Lots of rules about overtime, work schedule, total working hours, vacations, sick leaves, payment, notice period in case of mass layoff.
Labour law is strong. But people are cheap - that's what attractive for international employers.
Minimum wage, costs of living in Germany is higher than in Poland. What is a minimal wage in Germany is a decent wage for factory worker in Poland.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#77This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).
Funny, I wonder what sort of beef transport unions have with Tesla specifically. Also, I wonder if it would completely kill their margin to just have a horde of workers drive the cars individually to Sweden.
The point of solidarity strikes is that there may not be a specific point. It's simply a way for workers from unrelated industries to show support. Apparently, even trash collectors and mail delivery personnel are skipping Tesla.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.
A friend of mine was supposed to move from Berlin to München for a job during last Saturday. He can't, trains were fucked, airport was closed, flight canceled and you can't trust DB during the best of days and weather, no way to be sure you will get there unless you have a car. Seems to be a complete clusterfuck, as someone living in the Nordics it's pretty funny to think that a bit of snow can simply grind to a halt…
TBF the last time that part of Germany had that much snow in such a short time so early was about twenty years ago. Those parts of Germany where snow is more common (mainly in the mountains) saw no or little disruptions.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#79This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).
That doesn't sound like a strike at all. They presumably are still working and getting paid their wages Legally that seems a bit crazy that shipping company workers can select what gets shipped based on their political beliefs. Next the power utility company workers are going to refuse to give Tesla electricity
Yeah we've been trained well in the US. Only our corporate overlords should have that kind of power.
Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade
#80This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).
I believe that Tesla does not need ships to transport Tesla Model Ys from Giga Berlin to Sweden. They can use railroad. Or trucks.
Afaik only the more expensive models are manufactured in Germany, model 3 is manufactured in China, so will come by boat to Europe. The Nordic federation of transport unions has expressed support so it will be hard for Tesla to ship things by rail and road.