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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by p_l »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #25
mathverse wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not happen. Musk should have established the factory in EE where the local labor would bend over to him.

To be fair, lack of labor regulations and "bending over to foreign investors", including German and EU ones, is what got Eastern Europe out if the grim post communism poverty. You can't have strong unions and labor regulations when you don't have your own captive world leading domestic industry like IKEA, Siemens, SAAB, Novo Nordisk, Bosch, Airbus, etc. Nobody would invest in your country.

It's also what's crippling progress in many places in Eastern Europe. Depressed wages and fighting on price only to be assembly plant for higher-tech components does not let you build local prosperity, it makes you fungible cheap labour.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ponector »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #25
mathverse wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not happen. Musk should have established the factory in EE where the local labor would bend over to him.

To be fair, lack of labor regulations and "bending over to foreign investors", including German and EU ones, is what got Eastern Europe out if the grim post communism poverty. You can't have strong unions and labor regulations when you don't have your own captive world leading domestic industry like IKEA, Siemens, SAAB, Novo Nordisk, Bosch, Airbus, etc. Nobody would invest in your country.

That is not true, eastern Europe has strong labour laws.

World leading companies were moving to eastern Europe because it was cheap. Both land and labour.

In some cases comparable to china. It is an outsourcing hub, way to cut costs.

You get same skill (or even more) in Poland as you can get in Germany, but for half price and slightly less bureaucracy.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by martin_a »

lnsru wrote: post #20
mrweasel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does tend to help. I read somewhere that "Germany is financing the EU, but Bavaria is financing Germany", that probably not entirely true, but it is fun to think about.

I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

Markus Söder is currently busy with getting a ban on gendered words going in schools. Obviously that's much more important than anything else.

Prost! :-)

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by marricks »

ethbr1 wrote: post #42
marricks wrote: post #40

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MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

I'd hazard it's more important to him to be famous, whatever the sentiment, rather than liked.

No, he wouldn’t get into so many mudslinging fights if he just cared about being famous. He desperately wants to be liked and thought of as cool.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by andsoitis »

marricks wrote: post #40
andsoitis wrote: post #34

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

> MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company to goose his number of views. > He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

If that were true, then why consciously piss so many people off?

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#56

Post by cultureswitch »

marricks wrote: post #40
andsoitis wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

Liked by certain interest groups and not others.

Despite really disliking Elon as a whole, one thing I like about him is that he expresses himself like a human being, contrary to most of the HR/PR/D&I drones who claim he's an antisemite now.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

cultureswitch wrote: post #45
sorenjan wrote: post #13

This and the Danish solidarity actions are mainly to prevent Tesla from shipping cars meant for the Swedish market to Danish or Norwegian ports and then trucking them to Sweden. The Swedish transport union stopped unloading Tesla cars at Swedish ports November 7, but Tesla Y was still one of the most sold car models in Sweden in November (second place between Volvo XC40 and XC60).

Funny, I wonder what sort of beef transport unions have with Tesla specifically. Also, I wonder if it would completely kill their margin to just have a horde of workers drive the cars individually to Sweden.

Their specific issue seems to be elmu's anti-union stance. May be a different union, but that's what solidarity is. So possibly their specific reason is solidarity.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#58

Post by kristofferR »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #49
croes wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which are forbidden in Germany. Thanks to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Carl_Nipperdey who already stripped worker of their rights in the Nazi regime.

You forgot to mention Schröder's famous Agenda 2010[1] which defanged German unions and they didn't fight back: "There were no strikes against Agenda 2010 as the German constitution prohibits politically motivated strikes, but some demonstrations at least were organized and supported by the unions." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_2010

Agenda 2010 sound like something Putin would fund to weaken Germany.

(for those who don't know, Schröder were a Putin stooge):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#59

Post by [deleted] »

andsoitis wrote: post #55
marricks wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company then burns company hours on figuring out why he isn’t the most viewed person on it. He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about.

> MANY things he does are explicitly to be liked. That’s why he posts all the time, goes on interviews, shows up on SNL. Buys a social media company to goose his number of views. > He really, really, wants to be internet liked, that’s he claims he doesn’t care about. If that were true, then why consciously piss so many people off?

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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

#60

Post by ponector »

p_l wrote: post #51
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, lack of labor regulations and "bending over to foreign investors", including German and EU ones, is what got Eastern Europe out if the grim post communism poverty. You can't have strong unions and labor regulations when you don't have your own captive world leading domestic industry like IKEA, Siemens, SAAB, Novo Nordisk, Bosch, Airbus, etc. Nobody would invest in your country.

It's also what's crippling progress in many places in Eastern Europe. Depressed wages and fighting on price only to be assembly plant for higher-tech components does not let you build local prosperity, it makes you fungible cheap labour.

Better to be a fungible labour on the assembly plant than be without the work.

The alternative for eastern Europeans always was to go to UK or Germany and be a fungible labour there.

Current strategy increased quality of life in EE countries. So far that in main cities in Poland housing prices are 4000-5000 USD per square meter.

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