So effectively contractors. Companies shouldn't be allowed to "shed" this much of their workforce in a system like the US's here we have a very poor safety net. They bulked up, built their products and now want to slim down and enjoy their profits at the expense of these sacrificial workers.
One alternative is never hiring them in the first place, which is a real possibility if some bad ideas like yours were put into law.
Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%
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#852> To understand this decision, I think it is important to assess Spotify with a clear, objective lens ... then proceeds to vague MBA word without a single number to support them. > We debated making smaller reductions throughout 2024 and 2025 What was not debated was keeping people they hired. > we still have too many people dedicated to supporting work and even doing work around the work rather than contributing to…
> TBH I don't see what changed on Spotify for a customer perspective in the past few years. I still see bugs I reported years ago, the UI is largely the same.
He didn't get into it because you answered it yourself. And anyone who has used it for a while has most likely the same initial thought.
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#853Spotify is a completely mistery to me. I'm asking: What does Spotify really have ? They don't own the music. They don't own podcasts (OK, they may have some exclusives like Rogan). All they have is a license, a bit of software, and lots of users. How will they ever turn a profit? What's the end game here? I just switched my whole family from Spotify to Deezer and it was literally a matter of minutes. There are even s…
Deezer costs more for family than I pay now on Spotify. Why switch?
Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%
#854Spotify is a completely mistery to me. I'm asking: What does Spotify really have ? They don't own the music. They don't own podcasts (OK, they may have some exclusives like Rogan). All they have is a license, a bit of software, and lots of users. How will they ever turn a profit? What's the end game here? I just switched my whole family from Spotify to Deezer and it was literally a matter of minutes. There are even s…
Spotify Connect is a real game changer. I tap a song on the web player and it streams it on our living room amp, which supports it natively. No apps involved whatsoever.
Tidal sorta has a connect feature, but I've found it to be really buggy (often wouldn't play or wouldn't tell the remote control device what is playing) and not as widely supported.
Apple Music is even worse since tends to rely on AirPlay, which murders quality and requires the remote to stay on the same network as the player.
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#855I didn’t know they have that many people (9000) to work for a single product. I’ve been a subscriber for more than 5 years and the app on the iPhone just gets worse everyday. Why? - daily updates is gone. This is where I can get a snapshot of all new releases from artists I love. I’m not sure if Release Calendar is the new one but I don’t bother to check. - I listen to classical and the song title naming is just subp…
If you primarily listen to classical music, Apple's new Classical Music app (part of its Music subscription) is *fantastic*.
I restarted my phone, reinstalled the app, went through several iterations of iOS updating, the problem never went away. No other app, including Spotify, has this issue on my phone. After a month of paying for Apple Music without Classical working I shrugged and unsubscribed. Big loss for me, and for them, since I am exactly their target audience with Apple Classical.
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#856I consider Spotify like Hulu - existing as a puppet to give "the industry" a centralized distribution service. I don't ever expect them to make a profit, unless they decide to pivot and sell what's left to another corp. Am I wrong?
Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%
#857> To understand this decision, I think it is important to assess Spotify with a clear, objective lens ... then proceeds to vague MBA word without a single number to support them. > We debated making smaller reductions throughout 2024 and 2025 What was not debated was keeping people they hired. > we still have too many people dedicated to supporting work and even doing work around the work rather than contributing to…
It's impossible to tell if this is what's happening though. It can really go either way.
I've seen orgs where the perf-review meat grinder is driven so tight that engineers are essentially punished/PIPd for doing things that NEED to happen even if they aren't sexy business impact. Like upgrading library versions (not all of them, just the core/most important ones!) so you don't wake up one day and realize you're on a 6 year old version of a core library/framework. Even remediating incidents was treated as "not impactful work". This resulted in the expected shitstorm and teams were literally churning employees because oncall was so bad and just doing anything was so awful, and it took a staff engineer's guile just to get an otherwise-relatively-simple project over the line because you had to be a ninja just to navigate the awful existing mess of 10 years' worth of laser-focus on business impact.
And I've seen orgs where the engineers run rampant, doing random side-quests constantly, junior engineers run amok over-architecting every project with all of the skills their CS degrees gave them, senior engineers make magnum opuses of medium-sized projects, and principal engineers pontificate and aid and abet any and all architecture-astronauting that anyone else in the org does. And naturally none of it was done in any way shape or form in coordination with product.
And naturally there's everything in between. So whether they have a healthy amount of focus on non-sexy work and wish they were neglecting it more to reap shorter-term product-focused gains, or they have too much bikeshedding and they want to be more product-focused, it is difficult to say.
(Naturally the cynic in me says it is probably the former, though...)
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#859Can someone explain to me why a company that is about streaming mp3s needs 9500 employees? That just sounds extremely inefficient to me. They don't even have native desktop apps.
More and more it seems they're an advertising company that also serves music and podcasts. I keep seeing sponsored recommendations and I'm a premium subscriber, for now.
Those are all ad slots. They want artists to pay to be included in those in the future.
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#860Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Honestly, what do you expect Spotify to do? Not spend a fortune on Joe Rogan and then lay off people.
One could argue that Joe Rogan brought in a lot of new users and thus profits. The employees being fired worked on a failed ideas and were just a lot of expenses.
$200 million worth?