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Post by throwaway_13140 »

GenerWork wrote: post #395
akira2501 wrote: post #377

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It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent. The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies m…

>Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim Agree 100% >mostly disconnected from consumer demand Disagree. Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers. Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models, and to be honest, I'm surprised Ch…

> The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore.

Dodge Charger

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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ianai wrote: post #486
panarky wrote: post #468

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> available today None of the CTs are available today, they're all at some unspecified point in 2024. The cheapest CT is ostensibly available in 2025, but estimates from this company that far out are hilariously worthless. Prospective customers of the cheapest CT might remember the cheapest Model 3, which the CEO promised to deliver in July, 2017, but actually began delivery in February, 2019. > same 250 mile range b…

Plus how is it going to feel to own this when battery tech improves and the range extender feels ever more obsolete? It’s a slower version of how computers felt back in the 90s to early 2000s. Ie as soon as bought it was quickly obsolete.

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Post by FireBeyond »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #354
cwkoss wrote: post #341

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Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning? Or would that slow it down because a spinout 0-60 (not counting rollout) is faster that a "perfect throttle" 0-60?

> Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning? Traction prediction is dependent on surface characteristics [1]. You need the vehicle to not only identify the surface, but also predict the vehicle-surface interface and adjust its assumptions as tyre meets road. It's worth doing. But it's noisy enough that it wouldn't be meaningful for a quoted statistic. (Disclaimer:…

Not for take off (or not only for take off), but Audi does this on some of its high end cars (RS 7, etc.) - the vehicle is actively sensing the road, and adjusting for grip, surface, camber and problems (it can actively avoid potholes, for example).

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Post by upbeat_general »

liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Aren’t basically all modern cars steer by wire? I guess ethernet vs CAN is notable but isn’t that a pretty minor implementation detail?

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Post by defrost »

adfm wrote: post #491
defrost wrote: post #449

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> Trucks are meant to haul. Agreed. > Anything with less than an 8' bed ... WTF? Doesn't your truck have a Hayman-Reese hitch, anti swaybars, various carry racks; don't you have several different trailers - single and double axle, light weight and heavy tonnage, caravans and animal floats? I'm starting to wonder if, in fact, you've got any kind of working vehicle setup at all. Crew cabs are so you can haul a fire pum…

Sounds like a fleet vehicle. The dually's at the ranch and has an 8' bed. No stacks. No 5" tips. Beat to shit, brown, with a bad starter.

Typically W.Australian setups haul trailers and often use vans, private and fleet.

The advantage of towing is you can have multiple preset ready to go "job type" trailers | floats | caravans that can be detached at work area, leaving vehicle free to travel elsewhere.

I'm just pushing back at the GP insistance on the "one true" working vehicle setup and dislike for crew cabs - getting people to unpaved sites across fields and scrambling is pretty much the reason for getting any kind of high clearance vehicle, be it 2WD or 4WD.

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airstrike wrote: post #562
agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

just select the "Purchase price" tab at the top? not every marketing gimmick is a dark pattern

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Post by qarl »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

From the guy who predicted COVID would be over in two weeks.

I don't think you can trust his predictions. He doesn't have a great record with that.

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Post by saalweachter »

adfm wrote: post #431
neogodless wrote: post #97

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Every full size pick-up truck defaults to a 6-6.5' foot bed size (in modern times). Some offer 8' beds but it's relatively rare in practice (as in, most people opt for a quad/crew cab without the long bed). All of them can handle 8' plywood with the bed down, just like this 6' bed on the Cybertruck. Even the Ford Maverick can handle an 8' sheet of plywood by using an adjusted-height tailgate and the wheel wells. http…

Trucks are meant to haul. Anything with less than an 8' bed are truck-shaped cars for all practical purposes and should be taxed accordingly because they're a waste of resources and contribute to the decline of the environment. Crew cabs are just an excuse to drive around in something truck-shaped. The term is carpool not truckpool. If you're driving to and from a job site with others in the vehicle, it's either part…

Eh, a pickup truck provides three things:

  1. A bed for hauling.
  2. The ability to tow.
  3. Off-road capability.
If you value 2 & 3 more than 1, a short bed can be very reasonable. Hell, if you're hauling things that aren't dimensional lumber -- for instance, dirt and gravel -- you're only going to get that 8 foot bed about half full before you exceed the weight capacity of the bed.

Meanwhile, if you have kids, not having a second row to throw car seats into is a bigger limitation than having to leave the tailgate down to pick up plywood.

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Post by randerson »

grecy wrote: post #308
ska wrote: post #200

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> a sports care faster than a 911 Eh, it's not really interesting if you can't corner. Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it, all you need is a ton of torque, tires that can take it, and enough weight and length to keep the front end down. Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose, but 1/4 mile numbers are a mostly meaningless pissing contest unless you are actually building drag cars. Now if Tesla built…

> * Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose* Ahh, no. The Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat with 707 horsepower runs a 11.4 [1] That is the very definition of a car built to go fast in a straight line. Massive engine, supercharger, massive rear tires, and it's slower than the Cybertruck. > Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it Please show me a truck that gets even remotely close to a sub 11 quarter mile. Heck,…

Car & Driver achieved 10.9s with the 911 GTS (RWD). $151K buys a new one.

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Post by agloe_dreams »

giobox wrote: post #529
agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

There's even a "dark pattern" with the quoted 0-60 times. They've subtracted the rollout only on the fastest model to make the gap between it and the mid-spec model appear larger (notice the asterisk only on the top spec car's 0-60 time). Not the first time they've done this either, they've done the same thing with the Plaid Model S specs before. I don't really care about the debate over whether subtracting rollout i…

They do it on the Model 3 as well. The Model 3 Performance is 1Ft rollout (3.1s) but the Dual Motor Long Range is not. Car and driver tested it to 3.99 when Tesla says ~4.2s
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