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Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

I drove a rented SUV a few weeks ago (GMC Acadia Denali) that had quite shocking acceleration -- 310 horsepower or so -- and the handling of a dead fish. It was kind of scary, and overall a really unpleasant experience. I don't understand why the manufacturer would choose that combination other than being able to market the HP. And this was gas, not EV.

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Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Lexus is already doing steer by wire, they used it to make a vehicle with a yoke that didn't suck to operate (as much anyway): https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-lexus-rz450e-steer-b...

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Given the pricing for the lower and mid-tier I wonder if this will force Rivian to lower their prices on their R1T

Lots of comments about the F150 Lightning but I feel like the Rivian is the real competitor for the cybertruck here. Different buyers

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> Prices assume ... est. gas savings of $3,600 over 3 years. Seems shady

They're kinda all shady. "Our car is only 15k!*" * Except no manufacturer sells the base model. Plus they'll add their own add-ons like anti-rust that has no scientific basis. Also doesn't include the shipping cost. Also AC tax isn't included despite literally all cars having AC The only manufacturer website I've seen that isn't super shady and actually includes shipping costs by default is Subaru for some reason.

If you shop around, I have always found a base model. 4 of the last 5 new cars I bought were base models. The exception was probably a mistake on my part. (It had a dealer installed sun roof that popped out on the highway at 6 years.)

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It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking advantage of it.

It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent. The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies m…

>Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim

Agree 100%

>mostly disconnected from consumer demand

Disagree. Sedans are still around (Camry, Corolla, Civic, Accord), but consumers are voting with their wallets for crossovers. Ford killed the Focus and Fusion because they simply couldn't be sold for a profit since most people didn't get the high end models, and to be honest, I'm surprised Chevy still makes the Malibu. The Company Formerly Known As Chrysler doesn't even make a car anymore.

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I like how it looks and I find it weird people seem to believe that their opinion is absolute truth and that anybody who doesn't hate it is wrong. What I found the most surprising is that implies people don't actually believe cars on the road right now are ugly. Do people really look at SUVs and think "wow, is that thing pretty?"

Funny because I think it’s weird that Tesla perma bull analysts automatically assume this car will be popular and sell millions without a single person actually receiving one or knowing the prices.

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The Rivian is probably their real competition based on price, specs, and trim.

Rivian has better range despite being heavier, and is generally more useful and practical. I happen to own two Rivians (S & T), definitely dubious purchases.. but not compared to a Cybertruck! Btw the Tesla graffiti font is extremely disappointing, completely illegible and not even cool looking. How did marketing sign off on this? Edit: @LightBug LoL!

If Tesla is anything like Twitter, Elon told marketing what he wanted and nobody said no.

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The 911 Turbo S has a 0-60 time of 2.6 seconds, but Car and Driver clocked it at 2.2. Its quarter-mile time is 10.1 seconds. https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-turbo-turbo-s I don't know what's going on with that video. If we take Tesla's numbers at face value, which I definitely don't given their history, the 911 Turbo S is dramatically faster on the straights. Is Tesla claiming that the Cybertruck gets faster…

It's clearly not a 911 Turbo or Turbo s. Probably a base 911. Also not discounting tesla shenanigans. Would be easy enough to run the 1/4 a few times and get the 911 nice heat soaked and way down on power.

It's going to be pretty hard to heat soak a 911 to get it down on power. They're proper sports cars designed to hit the track.

The shenanigans was simply in choosing that car at all. A base 911 only claims a 0-60 of 4s and doesn't even break 400hp. It's never been a straight line car, that's not what it's trying to do or why enthusiasts love it.

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I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…

What about when towing is required of heavy machinery?

If it is really heavy - they have a dedicated hauler truck.

If something medium - a van could tow.

On European highways it is common to see van like Mercedes sprinter full of goods and also towing a car carriage with something huge like WV Passat.

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