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I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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Good, gets the unemployment and makes any legal case a little easier.

Yes that whopping $387/week on average. That’ll show them https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/best-and-wor...

Better than 0

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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What are you talking about? I can't change jobs now due to home life responsibilities and having specialized in dead tech. I have picked up responsibilities. In the past I've filled the role of a senior dev for a year and a tech lead for another. I volunteered to be an ASC. I volunteered for all sorts of other responsibilities. Perhaps the world doesn't work in the way that you think. It's not possible for everyone t…

> I can't change jobs now due …having specialized in dead tech. Then don’t do that? I’ve been working professionally for 27 years and have been aggressive about keeping pace with technology. I saw what happened first hand when I didn’t between around 2002-2008 and I said it would never happen again. For reference: I didn’t know “cloud” from a hole in the wall at 44 years old and I got my first and hopefully last job…

I have responsibilities and problems at home that greatly limit my non-work hour freedom. My disability is not a physical one, but a neurodivergent one, so remote would only hurt me more. I would look for another job if I lost this one, but it would probably pay less - again, no real time to upskill. Sure, I've gotten new certs and other BS over the years and started working with new tech. That hasn't been helpful. I've worked roles above my official position and not been rewarded. In fact, I haven't seen any of my hard work or extra responsibilities pay off after my first promotion about 3 years in. I don't expect another promotion for the rest of my career either. That's just the way it is for me.

Not everyone's life is as easy as you make your's out to be.

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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> If you walked away during the Pivot or anytime before you had your investment before it was there for you, you would lose it all. And I'm not talking a little bit of money. I'm talking: I had a couple hundred thousand dollars coming to me. What exactly are people in HR doing to warrant getting over $200k in stock grants? Even spread over an entire vesting schedule (and it's not, it's just the final vest) that's lud…

I'm gonna be the devils advocate here: If someone in HR can save a company hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars by removing underperforming workers, and replacing them with better workers, shouldn't that warrant some bonus? In the same way that if some engineer discovers a bug that is costing the company a lot of money, and fixing it, should also get a bonus?

> In the same way that if some engineer discovers a bug that is costing the company a lot of money, and fixing it, should also get a bonus?

How often does this happen?

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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> I can't change jobs now due …having specialized in dead tech. Then don’t do that? I’ve been working professionally for 27 years and have been aggressive about keeping pace with technology. I saw what happened first hand when I didn’t between around 2002-2008 and I said it would never happen again. For reference: I didn’t know “cloud” from a hole in the wall at 44 years old and I got my first and hopefully last job…

I have responsibilities and problems at home that greatly limit my non-work hour freedom. My disability is not a physical one, but a neurodivergent one, so remote would only hurt me more. I would look for another job if I lost this one, but it would probably pay less - again, no real time to upskill. Sure, I've gotten new certs and other BS over the years and started working with new tech. That hasn't been helpful. I…

Again if you lost your job you would do what it took to get another one wouldn’t you? So what’s the difference between changing jobs when you do have a choice and waiting until you don’t have a choice?

If you don’t make time now to upskill, what do you think is going to happen if/when you don’t have a choice but to look for a job and be stuck with in your words “dead tech”.

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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Yes that whopping $387/week on average. That’ll show them https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/best-and-wor...

Better than 0

Not much better. In my state it is $275 max a week

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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It's surprising companies don't seem interested in understanding their employees well enough to know that the cost of re-hiring and re-training vs trying to find a better fit in the org is not a good idea. Some industries coach the employee into a different role, or help them exit more openly.

I've even seen articles about how Amazon chews through so many people that they're having trouble finding "virgin" hires. Everyone in their pool is already fed up with them or were PIP'd.

Interesting.

Explains the cyclical visits from Amazon recruiters on LinkedIn.

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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It’s not nit-picky because the behavior of the two is completely different when ‘a’ isn’t present. If the assignment is dealing with dirty/partial data or implementing APIs with optional fields, [] can be a complete deal breaker.

It is completely nit-picky, as others have said, both methods have pluses/minuses, so how does the interviewer know the internal preference of the hiring company? Unless the question was specifically "how would you do this lookup if you have Dirty data". Then maybe missing using a default value is something. But even then, maybe you hit an invalid value, you should fail, or if you are providing defaults then there sh…

That’s not nit picky. One throws a fucking exception.

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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You’re just out of touch with how much people can make in the US. An IC software dev L6 offer I reviewed for a colleague 4 years ago was TC comprised of 180k salary and a little over $1 million of stock with a 4 year vest that Amazon backloads so you get most in the last 2 years. $200k in a single 6 month vest cycle is definitely possible in that offer depending on timing of amzn stock. This article was from someone…

I'm very aware with how much people can make per year in the US. A principal engineer that is tenured will be on around 550K a year. An HR person that administers PIPs is at most L6 and unlikely to be on more than 250K a year. 6 years in Amazon means a salary was low, not that it was high. Managing people doesn't mean anything, you can earn less than $100K TC in Seattle and be managing people. Additionally, compensat…

> principal engineer that is tenured will be on around 550K a year.

You ignored what I wrote

Re: I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was seeing with PIP plans

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Seems like a weird way to push yourself. Like what if it turns out you join a team that ranks you more based on politics/caste/luck than any sort of talent or motivation and you just feel trapped in a weird game?

You come out of it with Amazon on your resume which makes it super easy to get jobs.

Not really, at least not right now. I know my workplace and a few others are weary of ex-Amazon employees. Usually get picked for interview if there's no one else and gets an extra behavioral round. For management positions, it better be a internal referral who is willing to vouch for you very highly.
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