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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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inferiorhuman wrote: post #608
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #607

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Sticks (not throttles) mechanically linked to each other do indeed give feedback indicating there is a problem when the two sticks conflicted, compared to, it seems, the Airbus concept, which did not. I see no reason the intuition here isn't correct: it's better to know about this problem when flying than to not know about it. Stories about throttles or automation are a distraction from what we're talking about: mech…

So-called "side stories" about throttles that provide feedback are entirely relevant because they address the issue at hand: the supposed benefits of physical feedback in the controls. The Sriwijaya crash is additionally relevant as it happened during a phase of flight where someone's hands were likely to be on the throttle quadrant in the first place. If you're going to double down on the idea that somehow feedback…

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by dralley »

xp84 wrote: post #551
grotorea wrote: post #98

Since we're on the topic, you know how much HN complains about touchscreens on cars? Now find out how replacing old school analog controls with software touchscreens UI partly led to the USS John S. McCain colliding: https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-i...

This is a fascinating article. I feel like I am in my life constantly fighting against either haphazard UI like the one featured there, and the Apple-style UIs which attempt to optimize for beauty by shoving nearly everything (regardless of usefulness) into layers of "••• junk drawers" or little (i) icons. On a ship worth hundreds of billions of dollars, it was never considered that the Big Red Button should have a p…

> On a ship worth hundreds of billions of dollars

Hundreds of millions perhaps, but even a brand new nuclear aircraft carrier only costs ~13 billion.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by scotty79 »

Ma8ee wrote: post #654
scotty79 wrote: post #638

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How exactly is Israel an apartheid state? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel I agree that death of any innocent civilian is regrettable but I question that all Palestinian citizens are innocent. Some of them fully support Hamas and worked with Hamas and for Hamas and would like to see all Jews dead just as much as Hamas and do everything in their power so that nobody can tell apart innocent civil…

This is how: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid I don't think all Palestinians are innocent. I know there are Israelis that are war criminals. None of those facts are excuses to kill Palestinians or Israeli indiscriminately. Letting people die just because they happen to belong to a certain ethnical group is plain racism. Israel has long passed a scale of the killing that could be explained as "collat…

There's surely a lot of evil being done, but I'm not entirely convinced by the article about civilian losses. 42% are children (compared to 6% in Ukraine, 8.6% in Iraq and 10% in Syria). How could an attacker ever achieve that even they tried?

If those atypical numbers are true it shows that defenders are not protecting their children like any sane population would but rather place them in obvious military targets to turn them into martyrs.

Personally I believe that those numbers should be treated as indication that they are not accurate. Author of the article prefers to take them as a proof of unique evilness of Israel.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by scotty79 »

toyg wrote: post #660
scotty79 wrote: post #639

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I'm not talking about Native Americans. I'm talking about this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War Are the people who are descendants of the Mexican citizens who survived the ordeal and now are US citizens better off than current Mexican citizens or not? As for Poland and Baltic states it has nothing to do with any principles. It's about US weakening Russia. If US didn't have a business in th…

> I'm not claiming it's always the case just it's sometimes the case Lol, that's a solid foundation for a logical argument. "Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit", is a football-manager level of philosophy... In the end, if we cannot build a coherent foreign policy based on solid humanitarian principles in the third millennium, what hope do we have to survive as a species? If might makes right, sooner or later…

> if we cannot build a coherent foreign policy based on solid humanitarian principles in the third millennium, what hope do we have to survive as a species?

Apparently we can't do that since we are keeping protected a group of people that want to have specific ethnicity dead so much that they put it into their constitution. I'm all for harmonic and humanitarian future, but to ever hope achieving that sworn murderers must be subdued.

> "Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit", is a football-manager level of philosophy...

But notice it's a practical philosophy that reflects reality. Wishing very hard that it wasn't exactly true won't change it.

> Colonization tends to be good for colonizers rather than the colonized, unsurprisingly.

Why do the Indians own more property in London than the British? Why the British are now a minority in their own capital? Could it ever have happened if UK didn't go on a colonization spree a while ago? In the long run being conquered sometimes brings insane benefits. Circling back to the topic I believe Palestinians would get immense benefits in the long run for laying down arms and joining the Israelis on their terms.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by scotty79 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #647
scotty79 wrote: post #640

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I think Isreal wasn't given free pass ever. And now, only after it suffered worse atrocity ever, its free pass only lasted few weeks for most people. There's a huge disproportion of strength there and it's natural to root for a little guy. But when you look closer at the conflict and motivations of its participants it's easier. Because one side wants to have peace for itself to thrive and the other wants them dead an…

Is that why it immediately started colonizing it's neighbor when it could get away with it (as in, when it didn't cost too much to keep the colonies secure)? Also, what other country in the world is allowed to literally push settlements outside of its territory, and then slowly conquer said settlements? Actually,which other country it allowed to colonize anything without international condemnation?

In another country? Probably there's none. In their own country, on territories claimed by some minority as their own? I bet there's a few at least. Something in Azerbaijan for sure.

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Post by Ma8ee »

scotty79 wrote: post #663
Ma8ee wrote: post #654

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This is how: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid I don't think all Palestinians are innocent. I know there are Israelis that are war criminals. None of those facts are excuses to kill Palestinians or Israeli indiscriminately. Letting people die just because they happen to belong to a certain ethnical group is plain racism. Israel has long passed a scale of the killing that could be explained as "collat…

There's surely a lot of evil being done, but I'm not entirely convinced by the article about civilian losses. 42% are children (compared to 6% in Ukraine, 8.6% in Iraq and 10% in Syria). How could an attacker ever achieve that even they tried? If those atypical numbers are true it shows that defenders are not protecting their children like any sane population would but rather place them in obvious military targets to…

Gaza’s population is very young, so these numbers reflect the demographics. If anything, it shows that Israel is indiscriminate in its killing in Gaza. Bombs tend to be that way.

But of course, we don’t know what and who to trust. Maybe we should ask why Israel is suppressing any reporting from the strip if they are interested in that the world gets to know the truth about what is happening there.

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Post by rnk »

vGPU wrote: post #658
gambiting wrote: post #636

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>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.

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Your view of history is far from accurate. The "vote" by crimea to leave ukraine was after Russia took over Ukraine in a military action. Voting to secede after someone takes you over and that Russian someone doesn't do democratic voting.

From Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

"The Crimean status referendum of 2014 was a disputed referendum[1][2] on March 16, 2014, concerning the status of Crimea that was conducted in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol (both subdivisions of Ukraine) after Russian forces seized control of Crimea.[3]"

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by Ndymium »

nottorp wrote: post #468
Ndymium wrote: post #363

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This can be configured in the instance settings and I've seen some support up to 5000 characters.

Well if 1 line is the default, it leaves a bad taste. There was no need to clone twitter.

The default post size limit on Mastodon is 500 characters, there is no line limitation. I suppose the message split here is mostly influenced by the user's desire or familiarity carried over from Twitter.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by InsomniacL »

mrguyorama wrote: post #523
InsomniacL wrote: post #330

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I have a disaster storey to share about this. Sometimes the car does not want to go in to drive/reverse for some unknown reason. Not long after I first got my tesla, I was making a 3 point turn to go on to my driveway. I moved forward, then stopped, turned the wheel, pressed the stalk to go in to reverse, pressed the accelerator and WENT FORWARD, right in to my old car denting the door. There was no indication the ca…

>annoyingly the car still refuses quite often to go in to Drive/Reverse when you tell it to How the everloving F** does this even happen? I cannot imagine an ICE car "refusing" switching gears. I know electric vehicles don't manage driving direction through physical gears and linkages like ICE vehicles but this feels like an absurd regression.

Just to be clear, I prefer my Tesla to my ICE car and I enjoy driving it as much as my Kawasaki ZX10R..

The Tesla will refuse to go in to gear for genuine reasons, such as:

  - refuses forward/reverse if the car is moving too fast in opposite direction

  - refuses forward/reverse if the car just turned on and foot isn't on brake
I haven't worked out what the other reasons are though.

The vast majority are when I'm in a rush, I get in sometimes have to press the stalk about 4 times (in 2 seconds) for drive. It could be because my seatbelt isn't on yet, or the car needs a small amount or time to boot up. To be fair I'm moving off faster (even pressing the stalk down a few times) than my ICE car, and Tesla adding the Chimes really helped.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by JimDabell »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #304
subtra3t wrote: post #85

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You can't call any piece of evidence that happens to not support your theory as being an outlier. And even then the OpenAI saga is probably the most important development in tech in the last 10 years (conservatively).

Perhaps, in terms of how much it's affecting Silicon Valley; though I'd say iPhone adoption, the tail-end of Flash, the death of ActiveX, the destruction of libraries, and the growth of Amazon were all more impactful, there. Probably not, in terms of how much 2040s tech will be based on this stuff. Language models are good for machine translation, and real-time image transcription, but everything else I've seen them…

> iPhone adoption, the tail-end of Flash, the death of ActiveX, the destruction of libraries, and the growth of Amazon were all more impactful, there.

Not sure what you’re referring to with “the destruction of libraries”, but all of the others happened more than ten years ago.

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