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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by simne »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #648
severino wrote: post #624

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It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.

Or, life is complicated.

Life is simple, if all need measures implemented on time. And partially, when you could delegate important things to other people, so you don't have to do all important things yourself.

Unfortunately, some important things have not done by Ukraine, some have not done by West, and now we have this huge mess.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by simne »

tmcdos wrote: post #643
gambiting wrote: post #636

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>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.

This is the old maxima "Divide and conquer" - make two sister nations fight with each other for your own benefits. Then you can always look innocent and blame one or the two fighting parties for their own fight.

Ukraine is not sister nation to Russia. This is old Russian propaganda, in reality, Ukraine is old European nation and Russia is Asian (just remember about mummy at center of Russian capital, and think, where at Western country exists something comparable).

Claiming Ukraine sister nation for Russia is not exact same, but similar to claim Israel sister nation to Iran, or Japan sister nation to China.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by lobocinza »

simne wrote: post #644
lebed2045 wrote: post #604

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that's truly incredible how much lives can be saved with good electronics and it-systems. I wish the war ends asap, before the autonomous ai-powered drones comes into play... because at that point this might become complete skynet-like hell.

Thank you! Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic about terms of war in Ukraine. Unfortunately, war in Ukraine looks not like war of one country against another country, but this war like Democracy and free market against Communism. And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Just now military power of Ukraine is near to equal to Russian, but this is not suffi…

> And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US.

Certainly China is funding NK support. So they use NK to covertly provide military support to Russia while they front as the "good guys" that support "peace" and only provide economical support to Russia.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by Ma8ee »

scotty79 wrote: post #638
Ma8ee wrote: post #610

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No, exactly. That is why I wrote "I condemn the terrorist attacks on innocent civilians by Hamas". But my comment was an answer praise of Israel's constraint, like Israel was completely innocent in this conflict. And the following two paragraphs seems to be incomprehensible to many: Israel is an apartheid state. Palestines have the right to resist that oppression. Hamas (or any Palestine organisation) has no right to…

How exactly is Israel an apartheid state? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel I agree that death of any innocent civilian is regrettable but I question that all Palestinian citizens are innocent. Some of them fully support Hamas and worked with Hamas and for Hamas and would like to see all Jews dead just as much as Hamas and do everything in their power so that nobody can tell apart innocent civil…

This is how:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid

I don't think all Palestinians are innocent. I know there are Israelis that are war criminals. None of those facts are excuses to kill Palestinians or Israeli indiscriminately. Letting people die just because they happen to belong to a certain ethnical group is plain racism.

Israel has long passed a scale of the killing that could be explained as "collateral damage".

"the civilian death toll as of 20 November is 16,413, with nearly 34,000 injured. This would mean one in every 142 Palestinian civilians killed in a month and a half."

"With an estimated 70% of the dead being women and children – and many of the slain men unlikely to have been combatants "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/22/gaza-c...

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by simne »

lobocinza wrote: post #653
simne wrote: post #644

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Thank you! Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic about terms of war in Ukraine. Unfortunately, war in Ukraine looks not like war of one country against another country, but this war like Democracy and free market against Communism. And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Just now military power of Ukraine is near to equal to Russian, but this is not suffi…

> And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US. Certainly China is funding NK support. So they use NK to covertly provide military support to Russia while they front as the "good guys" that support "peace" and only provide economical support to Russia.

Agree. NK is classic proxy country, not independent. To be more strict, their behavior is shown in good film. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_of_Spies_(film)

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by simne »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #649
vGPU wrote: post #634

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Russia and the U.S. are both thinking that they are acting in their interests. Russia wants to keep away NATO because they fear NATO will randomly destroy their kleptocracy, and the U.S. wants to weaken nations regularly trying to assassinate citizens in western countries. The U.S. is 10x more powerful than Russia who is 10x more powerful than Ukraine. Russia falling for the trap of a quagmire on their border is not…

Russia is very typical Asian country, or to be more strict, typical country of Central Asia, not European, for example, South-Eastern Asia is very different.

And Russian behavior is very typical for Central Asia. Absolutely nothing extraordinary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by simne »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #649
vGPU wrote: post #634

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Russia and the U.S. are both thinking that they are acting in their interests. Russia wants to keep away NATO because they fear NATO will randomly destroy their kleptocracy, and the U.S. wants to weaken nations regularly trying to assassinate citizens in western countries. The U.S. is 10x more powerful than Russia who is 10x more powerful than Ukraine. Russia falling for the trap of a quagmire on their border is not…

U.S. behavior is mostly legacy of British, and partially from continental Europe.

And adequate person might notice, U.S. is practically on the border, between European and Latin American parts of world.

Practically, the same as Ukraine on the border, between Europe and Central Asia.

And this geographic situation is very important, on border you could not be really neutral and weak, you must choose one side and be strong enough to be on this side or you will be divided to sides by some external force.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by vGPU »

gambiting wrote: post #636
vGPU wrote: post #634

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>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.

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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by whynotminot »

vGPU wrote: post #658
gambiting wrote: post #636

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>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.

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I think you have the order of events there a little jumbled, brother.

Little hard to have a fair vote with little green men standing outside the polls.

Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster

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Post by toyg »

scotty79 wrote: post #639
toyg wrote: post #621

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> Especially if the alternative is getting wiped out by way stronger opponent. That's a personal judgement which fundamentally contradicts the populations' rights to self-determination, i.e. the basis of international law since WWI (famously enshrined by Woodrow Wilson, among others). It's the basis for US support for the independence of Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine, Taiwan, etc - all countries threatened by a "way…

I'm not talking about Native Americans. I'm talking about this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War Are the people who are descendants of the Mexican citizens who survived the ordeal and now are US citizens better off than current Mexican citizens or not? As for Poland and Baltic states it has nothing to do with any principles. It's about US weakening Russia. If US didn't have a business in th…

> I'm not claiming it's always the case just it's sometimes the case

Lol, that's a solid foundation for a logical argument. "Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit", is a football-manager level of philosophy...

In the end, if we cannot build a coherent foreign policy based on solid humanitarian principles in the third millennium, what hope do we have to survive as a species? If might makes right, sooner or later we'll just nuke each other.

Oh and btw, your lovely american-mexican war reintroduced slavery to slavery-free territories, and was a great success for non-native populations. Colonization tends to be good for colonizers rather than the colonized, unsurprisingly. Obviously this is great, if one is among the colons.

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