The Wikipedia article on the incident reads like it was written by an Iranian government employee.
The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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Well, Ukraine is not near US, but Ukraine asked US for support, trying to de-occupy Ukrainian territory, which is defined and agreed by dozen of international treaties. Absolutely same thing happen at Persian Gulf, allies asked for support from US and help arrived.
After the US supported a coup in 2014, installing a government and military structure that would help NATO push east (despite previous agreement) and later violate the Minsk agreements. The world would be a better place if you stayed at home.
Could you give adequate sources, how you decide that 2014 was coup?
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.
This is the old maxima "Divide and conquer" - make two sister nations fight with each other for your own benefits. Then you can always look innocent and blame one or the two fighting parties for their own fight.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#644Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments;…
that's truly incredible how much lives can be saved with good electronics and it-systems. I wish the war ends asap, before the autonomous ai-powered drones comes into play... because at that point this might become complete skynet-like hell.
Thank you!
Unfortunately, I'm not optimistic about terms of war in Ukraine.
Unfortunately, war in Ukraine looks not like war of one country against another country, but this war like Democracy and free market against Communism.
And rumors said, military support for Russia from North Korea is larger, than support for Ukraine from US.
Just now military power of Ukraine is near to equal to Russian, but this is not sufficient to return occupied Ukrainian territories in some overseen time. I'm not sure, if we could afford Korean variant of large part of country sacrificed to communists to end war, because Russia will not stop there, they want to occupy territories of other countries - Poland, Baltic states.
So, we working hard, to make Ukrainian military more powerful with new technologies. All possible to save people lives. And yes, we use robotic units at real war, but their intelligence extremely limited, even GPT-3 is too resource demand to be useful, only image recognition technology now is practical at field.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#645Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>Considering the fact that America’s involvement in Ukraine is the reason Ukraine is in the war to start with? The only side to blame for invading Ukraine is Russia. Literally no one else. That's not to say US hasn't had involvement in Ukrainian politics - I'm sure they did. The responsibility for the invasion still lies 100% with Russia.
This is the old maxima "Divide and conquer" - make two sister nations fight with each other for your own benefits. Then you can always look innocent and blame one or the two fighting parties for their own fight.
And it's also a very convenient propaganda technique used by Russia all the time - "look we didn't really want to do this, it's the foreign interference in Ukrainian politics that made us attack them!". Like, ok, sure - but you are still the ones pulling the trigger.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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What a weird take. Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? >>Not very different from Russia to me. Did you think about this sentence f…
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> According to one study, the U.S. performed at least 81 overt and covert known interventions in foreign elections during the period 1946–2000.
Read and count, in how many coups involved Russia (unfortunately you may need to use google translate from country of Democracy and free market): ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Советская_республика
And yes, I don't think "Soviet republic" as Democracy, because I've seen USSR and it's pseudo-elections without choice. What they are, you could see in good film Bridge of Spies with Tom Hanks - literally, gangs occupy country and supported by some Communists country - caught on such things Russia, Iran, Venezuela, China.
Ukrainian elections after 2004, ALL considered democratic, if you don't hear from your sources.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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Mhmmm, I get what you are saying. And I even agree on a personal level. But I still think that there is a double standard as to who seems to be allowed to use violence in those cases. It's fine to even disagree with Palestinians, and I also understand that Israel has a right to exist at this point. But the issue is when the west supports fully and unconditionally one side but condemns another for doing the same. It g…
I think Isreal wasn't given free pass ever. And now, only after it suffered worse atrocity ever, its free pass only lasted few weeks for most people. There's a huge disproportion of strength there and it's natural to root for a little guy. But when you look closer at the conflict and motivations of its participants it's easier. Because one side wants to have peace for itself to thrive and the other wants them dead an…
Is that why it immediately started colonizing it's neighbor when it could get away with it (as in, when it didn't cost too much to keep the colonies secure)? Also, what other country in the world is allowed to literally push settlements outside of its territory, and then slowly conquer said settlements? Actually,which other country it allowed to colonize anything without international condemnation?
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#648Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments;…
It's hilarious that someone that says it's in Ukraine, "country at war", writes that God bless an state that has brought that same war to hundreds of places in the world. In an article discussing an incident where the country that God should bless killed 290 innocent civilians because they wanted to. Not very different from Russia to me.
Or, life is complicated.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#649Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a weird take. Is it really so hard to put yourself in their shoes? If my country was being attacked and America gave us weapons to fight back I'd also say "god bless America" even though I don't believe in god and I'm very aware of all attrocities America has committed in wars across the globe(and still does). Is that so hard to imagine? >>Not very different from Russia to me. Did you think about this sentence f…
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Russia and the U.S. are both thinking that they are acting in their interests. Russia wants to keep away NATO because they fear NATO will randomly destroy their kleptocracy, and the U.S. wants to weaken nations regularly trying to assassinate citizens in western countries.
The U.S. is 10x more powerful than Russia who is 10x more powerful than Ukraine. Russia falling for the trap of a quagmire on their border is not the fault of the U.S.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#650Greetings from Ukraine, country at war. You may wonder, but computers extremely important in our life, I bet, you don't release how we depend on high tech now (was not such before war). I will list how I remember, not by importance. 1. Electric grid is core of infrastructure, and it depend on computers. Even if in many cases could use decentralized power sources, but need it to feed bank networks for money payments;…
that's truly incredible how much lives can be saved with good electronics and it-systems. I wish the war ends asap, before the autonomous ai-powered drones comes into play... because at that point this might become complete skynet-like hell.
Must admit, I absolutely agree with your concerns, that it is extremely bad if AGI will be used at war.
I hope, we will end this war before AGI appear.