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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by WaxProlix »

metadat wrote: post #241
Moto7451 wrote: post #227

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The Rivian is probably their real competition based on price, specs, and trim.

Rivian has better range despite being heavier, and is generally more useful and practical. I happen to own two Rivians (S & T), definitely dubious purchases.. but not compared to a Cybertruck! Btw the Tesla graffiti font is extremely disappointing, completely illegible and not even cool looking. How did marketing sign off on this? Edit: @LightBug LoL!

I've got an R1T and am considering an S as well - feeling really good about the purchase after these numbers dropped. Wonderful truck, with the exception of occasionally unreliable infrastructure :shrug:

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by bentcorner »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #94
tills13 wrote: post #66

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yes but it's not "saving" anything. You are still spending the money on the price tag.

Except that, if you own the Tesla long enough, the savings per month will eat up the difference in cost between the Tesla and significantly cheaper cars.

Cost of ownership is real but advertising a sticker price and including the difference in maintenance as part of that sticker price is just bad math.

Should cheaper ICE cars subtract from their sticker price the potential investment earnings of the money that you save versus buying a Tesla? Obviously not.

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Post by grpt »

frumper wrote: post #323
grpt wrote: post #295

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> American's often don't budget. Just random drive-by comment hating a particular nationality...

I'm American. Most of my friends/family don't even pretend to budget. Looking at reports of the debt loads of Americans, it's pretty clear that we overspend. So if we do budget, we don't follow it.

> I'm American.

irrelevant

> Most of my friends/family

your comment was about "Americans" generally. Not about Americans you know.

pointlessly divisive, stereotyping nationality, and without merit. exactly the type of comment we need less of on HN. I replied because it prevents you from deleting the comment.

EDIT: ah, I see that they are now replying with a random article found after hastily searching for sources to confirm their bias with commentary from * squints * a "financial therapist." A CNBC article that is a submarine (as coined by PG[1]), meant to advertise OppLoans.

don't believe me? see all the articles written by CNBC for OppLoans:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Acnbc.com+OppLoans

Well then.... my mistake. Anything to justify your comment. Carry on...

[1] http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

cwkoss wrote: post #341
jasongill wrote: post #201

Funny that the cheaper model's 0-60 time is listed as "4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH", but the more expensive model is listed as "2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH With rollout subtracted." The whole rollout for 0-60 thing is a big fuss in the car magazine subculture - instead of counting zero to 60 from a standstill, they now count zero to 60 in a drag race style, where you have to trip the starting light by going forward a foot or two. What t…

Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning? Or would that slow it down because a spinout 0-60 (not counting rollout) is faster that a "perfect throttle" 0-60?

> Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning?

Traction prediction is dependent on surface characteristics [1]. You need the vehicle to not only identify the surface, but also predict the vehicle-surface interface and adjust its assumptions as tyre meets road.

It's worth doing. But it's noisy enough that it wouldn't be meaningful for a quoted statistic. (Disclaimer: I've only done this for aircraft on runways, and then only academically.)

[1] https://www.cavs.msstate.edu/publications/docs/2018/05/15870...

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Post by ajross »

dragontamer wrote: post #339
ajross wrote: post #313

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Think of it like a microbenchmark. Acceleration for the first second or so is dominated by tire/road traction. Acceleration at non-trivial speed is governed by drive train power. Which measurement you take depends on what subsystem you want to measure. Drag nuts like tuning engines (which can be done in their shops with a high school education) and not choosing tire compositions (which requires a tire factory, and li…

That's called the 5-to-60 time. Car enthusiasts benchmark both 0-to-60 and 5-to-60 because that rollout can change the behavior of various cars. What we have here is Tesla taking the 5-to-60 time and pretending its a 0-to-60 time. Rollout is fine and all, just ya know, be honest about it. Call it a 5-to-60 time.

> Rollout is fine and all, just ya know, be honest about it. Call it a 5-to-60 time

Are they not honest? It says so right in the spec quote. Why is "5-to-60" honest but "with rollout subtracted" dishonest? One is jargon and the other English, but I think you have to stretch really hard to read in an attempt to deceive here.

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Post by [deleted] »

nxm wrote: post #316
LTL_FTC wrote: post #297

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I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…

What about when towing is required of heavy machinery?

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by wtallis »

nxm wrote: post #316
LTL_FTC wrote: post #297

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I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…

What about when towing is required of heavy machinery?

Something like a Ram ProMaster van is rated for 6-7000 lbs towing capacity, which may not sound like much compared to pickups that primarily compete on the basis of that particular specification, but it's still definitely enough to be useful.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ska »

grecy wrote: post #308
ska wrote: post #200

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> a sports care faster than a 911 Eh, it's not really interesting if you can't corner. Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it, all you need is a ton of torque, tires that can take it, and enough weight and length to keep the front end down. Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose, but 1/4 mile numbers are a mostly meaningless pissing contest unless you are actually building drag cars. Now if Tesla built…

> * Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose* Ahh, no. The Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat with 707 horsepower runs a 11.4 [1] That is the very definition of a car built to go fast in a straight line. Massive engine, supercharger, massive rear tires, and it's slower than the Cybertruck. > Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it Please show me a truck that gets even remotely close to a sub 11 quarter mile. Heck,…

The comparison is with the 0-60 of a 911, remember? And even then I didn't say the truck would win, just that they are not bad at it (it being, 0-60) out-of-the box. Current F-150s are in the high 3s/low 4s on 0-60. So are some 911's. The 911s will have most of second on them in a 1/4 i guess, but the fords are still pulling 12s which isn't slow. The point was only that truck form factor lends itself to ok 1/4 mile times. Not that anyone should care :)

NB: I didn't say any of these would beat a big electric. Electric motors have real advantages here, nobody claims otherwise.

And yes point remains for any automaker trying to set up a car to compete with a 911. Getting a similar 1/4 mile time would be about the easiest part...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by rurp »

rgmerk wrote: post #167
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

Or a route that's more than a couple hundred miles :)
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