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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #371

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>Reeks of CEO speak; general bullshit that seems to go against all practical reasoning of the situation. Funnily enough this is the type of thing that chatGPT is excellent at writing.

prompt: You are an optimistic, politically correct corporate magnate. You may be wrong, but never in doubt.

That's just ChatGPT though, minus the "corporate magnate" part.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #335

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Eventually you have to make a decision though? Even if it’s the wrong decision? Our time is finite.

Not filing your home with more triangulating spyware is a decision.

Yes, but that's not the decision the person in this thread was struggling with - they were struggling with the idea that they may invest $$ into something that 2,3,10 years down the road no longer works because a company went out of biz.

Sounds like they would like to have the devices but have a hard time pulling the trigger for a fear of sinking money into to something temporary.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #222

> The fact that we did not lose a single customer will drive us to work even harder for you, and we are all excited to get back to work. I'm not a big customer, but I am starting the process of moving away from OpenAI in response to these events

That’s a strange statement because I definitely canceled my subscription as a result of the happenings. This very public battle confirmed for me how misaligned OpenAI is with the originating charter and mission of its nonprofit. And I didn’t want to financially contribute towards that future anymore. I guess my subscription didn’t count as a customer.

It counted. It's just most people didn't share your opinion.

But that's the not the main problem. Even if people did share your opinion it wouldn't matter. ChatGPT is a tool. It is a hammer.

People are concerned about the effectiveness of a tool. They are not concerned about whether the hammer has any ethical "misalignments."

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Hacker News represents hackers, not Boards of Directors. The hackers of OpenAI overwhelmingly demanded Sam back. Everyone here should be happy.

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I think maybe what you're trying to say here is that HN tends to be anti-capitalism.

Personally, I'm pro-capitalism. As a capitalist bean counter, I feel that it's important for OpenAI to uphold its "primary fiduciary duty" to me and other humans, as described in its charter: https://openai.com/charter

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #307
post #218

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It also isn't clear why Altman couldn't have been replaced by someone else with literally no change in operations and progress. It is just really confusing why people acted as if they fired Michael Jordan from the Bulls.

He is obviously a great leader and those that work there wanted to work with him. It’s very clear in this thread how undervalued exceptional leadership actually is, as evidence by comments thinking the top role in the most innovative company could be just plug-and-play.

This comment made me look for a recent article about Paul Graham firing him from Ycombinator for being exactly not a great leader or trustworthy person.

The article was just days ago but it’s eluding my search.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #170

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The reason the CEO could oust the board like that was that after the board fired the CEO, 720 of the 770 employees of the company got together and signed a pledge that they will all leave unless the CEO is reinstated and the board fired. This was the purest example of labor democracy and self-organization in action in the United States I have ever seen, my takeaway is rather the opposite of "they are all expendable".…

The board should have called their bluff and let them walk.

Please explain why you think they should have let them walk and what benefit to either OpenAI or any of it's partners / customers there would have been in doing so?

It feels like you are saying this out of spite rather than with a good reason - but I'm open to listen if you have one.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Because you don't rely on a business that had 80% of its staff threaten to quit overnight?

> staff threaten to quit overnight They didn't, though. They threatened to continue tomorrow! It's called "walking across the street" and there's an expression for it because it's a thing that happens if governance fails but Makers gonna Make. Microsoft was already running the environment, with rights to deliver it to customers, and added a paycheck for the people pouring themselves into it. The staff "threatened" to…

>Microsoft was already running the environment, with rights to deliver it to customers.

But they don't own it. If OpenAI goes down they have the rights of nothing.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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post #225

Do we have any more insight into why he was fired in the first place?

Not really. But Helen Toner has been tweeting a little "To be clear: our decision was about the board's ability to effectively supervise the company, which was our role and responsibility. Though there has been speculation, we were not motivated by a desire to slow down OpenAI’s work." https://twitter.com/hlntnr/status/1730034020140912901

> our decision was about the board's ability to effectively supervise the company

Sounds like confirmation of the theory that it was Sam trying to get Toner off the board which precipitated this.

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