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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Azure offers a mostly at parity offering. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/ai-services/openai/w... Edit: I misunderstood the ask, my apologies.

That is still OpenAI. Anthropic might be a choice depending on the use case.

Yeah I just watched the keynote on Amazon’s Q product. I’m going to tinker with that in the coming days. Pretty excited about the Google drive/docs integration since we have a lot of our company documents over the last 15 years in Drive.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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ChatGPT is the most impressive tech I've used in years, but it is clearly limited by whatever constraints someone from The Woke Police / Thought Taliban shackled it with. Try to perform completely reasonable requests for information on subjects that are vaguely questioning orthodoxy or The Narrative and it starts repeating itself with patronizing puritanism as if you're listening to a generic politician repeat their…

Letting it free isn’t a good idea, as Microsoft painfully learned a few years ago:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot...

Strong constraints are important to avoid tainting the image of both OpenAI and Microsoft.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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I think the offerings expansion and follow up nerfing of the models were decisions taken during Sam’s administration. They did not seem to have the resources for Sam’s business plans and models have been dumbed down. Hope things don’t get any worse on the technical side and they fix the outages

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Oh yeah, I do comprehend how such major technologies of comparable importance are managed in NON-PROFIT organizations, Linux Foundation is for one. If you're happy to give up total control of tech to one corporation, while the CEO of the company, using the influence of the OpenAI, attracts resources for his personal hardware start-up[1], — our views on how a not-for-profit company should be run are starkly different.…

You can work on and compile Linux on a home PC, even more the case with their other projects. Try training GPT-4 on a home PC. The problem is you have no idea what you're talking about. This is not about how important something is, but what resources it requires as a BASIS MINIMUM for it to happen at all. Linux is important, but it's not nearly as expensive to create or maintain. If it's so easy for a scrappy non-pro…

> You can work on and compile Linux on a home PC, even more the case with their other projects. Try training GPT-4 on a home PC.

Sam Altman was happy to join the venture and lead OpenAI knowing that it was the non-profit AI research company from the beginning. As a CEO, he was supposed to lead the company as it was created. As a result of his management, the company first ceased to be open, then in fact non-profit, then safe (according to it's leading scientists), then the number of published research whitepapers fell sharply, then has taken steps to become a gatekeeper for government regulations, and finally, the communication between Sam and the board (which really should be running the company) was lost. If a CEO was unable to manage a company, including attracting investment and resources, without violating the fundamental principles of that company, that CEO should have been dismissed — what has been effectively attempted by the board. Otherwise, it's a power grab and a de facto reformatting of the company into a different entity. Do you comprehend that?

I have no idea what compiling Linux kernel, or running GPT-4 locally, does anything in common in the context of large non-profit organization management. My argument is that the company should have been run in such a way that one corporation could not seize complete control. Never, under no circumstances. In spite of this, the CEO made all the effort to make it so. As a result, we have now in fact a for-profit company with good product, tons of money and GPUs, that belongs to the Microsoft. Was it worth it? Does this justify it for you? If you are not a $MSFT shareholder the answer should be obvious.

> If it's so easy for a scrappy non-profit to attract billions to tinker with AI, where I say are those startups? Where? Q.E.D. The most open thing we have, Llama, came from giant Meta.

Take a good look at HuggingFace Chatbot Arena leaderboard page[1]. Pay attention to the values of different models on different benchmarks. GPT4 is the leader, but not by an unattainable margin. Anthropic, which has spinned off from the very same OpenAI, rapidly catches up, along with other solutions. Even free, open (for commercial usage) models, while being self-hostable, are not an orders of magnitude worse. They are well in range of being practical and useful, including for commercial products. There is no moat[2].

> Linux is important, but it's not nearly as expensive to create or maintain.

> The problem is you have no idea what you're talking about.

ROFL, okay buddy.

[1] https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...

[2] https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat-and-ne...

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

It also isn't clear why Altman couldn't have been replaced by someone else with literally no change in operations and progress. It is just really confusing why people acted as if they fired Michael Jordan from the Bulls.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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i'm still not clear what the accusation against Altman was... something about being cavalier about safety? if that was the claim and it has merit, i don't understand why it wasn't right to oust him, and why the employees are clamoring for him back

I wonder how many of the OpenAI employees are part of the "Effective Accelerationism" movement (often styled e/acc on X/Twitter). These people seem to think safety concerns get in the way of progress toward a utopian AGI future.

The employees earn when OpenAI has more profit.

No matter how idealistic you are, you won't be happy when your compensation is reduced from 600k to 200k.

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