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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by ekianjo »

ikidd wrote: post #176
ekianjo wrote: post #103

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> upgrades are a breeze upgrades are a breeze even without docker... the self updating function of nextcloud works very well.

>self updating function of nextcloud works very well Then that's a new development. I've been using it since about v9 and it was a complete trainwreck that might have had a 25% success rate until I gave it up and moved to the docker around v17.

> Then that's a new development

my non-docker install has been going strong for 3-4 years now, so that's hardly what I call recent...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by t-writescode »

apitman wrote: post #226
t-writescode wrote: post #159

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The AIO solution creates several docker containers that all get updated through their assisted update process. In general, I've been quite happy with it, myself. I have it running on my Unraid machine. The only problem I have intermittently is when Unraid seems to rename container names in special circumstances. I have to go and recreate the aio container. Otherwise, it's been very smooth sailing for me; and, the AIO…

So you pass in the docker socket and the AIO container runs docker commands on the host?

That is correct, yes.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by seszett »

digging wrote: post #173
seszett wrote: post #167

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https://docs.syncthing.net/advanced/folder-ignoredelete.html It works well enough in a backup system, where the issue explained on the page isn't relevant.

Nice, I guess it does work. Annoying that what feels to me a basic option is hidden for power users. I don't understand what your comment is saying though?

Well that option is hidden because of the very real problems it causes in "normal" syncthing use, as explained on the page.

I'm saying that you can disregard the warning in the case of a backup system (as opposed to the normal use which is full sync between two devices that both modify files).

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by ColoursofOSINT »

coolliquidcode wrote: post #218
ColoursofOSINT wrote: post #208

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What? You said "i'm happy running it on my ...vps." And now "Then I wouldn't use Roundcube either." So you're not running roundcube then? Also, love how you said you loved roundcube because it works on "lightweight el cheapo VPS", and then backtracked once you found out it uses PHP.

I think you think I'm someone else.

You're correct, I'll retract my statement.

Both start with coll/cooll, I've got to increase my zoom apparently.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by selfmodruntime »

haroldp wrote: post #163
jordemort wrote: post #65

I really want to like Nextcloud. I had it all set up perfectly earlier this year with their "AIO" setup. Then some upgrade came along and completely destroyed my install, couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it; seemed like the only way to get it back on its feet was to wipe and start over. I wiped; I haven't started over yet.

> couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it Docker monoculture and it's consequences.

No, it‘s their insane composition of „not-what-docker-was-made-for“ architecture. Their all in one solution is a bastardized version of compose, just give me a compose file with all services you run.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by creshal »

meonkeys wrote: post #190
manmal wrote: post #39

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Do you have recommendations for a self hosted webDAV server that could act as a Dropbox / GDrive replacement? I‘m using Nextcloud only for that use case because I haven’t found anything that seemed as stable.

What does Nextcloud do poorly that might be better/easier with an alternative?

Everything, really.

- the core feature, file sync, has extremely unreliable clients that can't resolve even the simplest of conflicts reliably while sucking up 8 CPU cores to do... nothing, really

- all the ~ecosystem~ of plugins they decided to staple onto it because file sync doesn't make them money, are all low quality compared to dedicated solutions, and synergy between them isn't great enough to make up for all the problems

- the plugin API is utter garbage and deliberately underdocumented, to force you to hire the devs as consultants to undo their own mess (which probably is a major driver for #2, you spend too much time fighting the APIs to get useful work done)

- "core" plugins get randomly deprecated with no useful replacement

So whatever you use nextcloud for, something else does it better

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by b112 »

eurekin wrote: post #50
b112 wrote: post #32

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Just use apace2, its davfs implementation, and davfs clients. Linux has davfs2, android has foldersync. Apache2 is super streamlined for this, and has done dav stuff for at least 16 years.

I was thinking of trying out using something low level... Maybe that? Does it support lazy selective syncing? Updating only ranges of files? Does it handle broken connections gracefully and recovers without data loss?

davfs is a protcol, a standard. Read that standard uf you wonder, but many things used dav behind the scenes.

And apache2 is a very well established implementation of it.

Clients handle partial snags.

I wouldn't rely upon anything that syncs like this, without backups. Any protocol at all.

Of course, the same may be said for anything at all. Backups are king.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by zilti »

bityard wrote: post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

Upgrades are a breeze in general, no need for Docker there.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

dugite-code wrote: post #219
jklinger410 wrote: post #177

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Love nextcloud in theory, but it is a tangled and ugly mess of a UI. It is slow and they spend time on features that only the devs seem to care about. Problem with free and open source software is that you have to follow the passion of the devs, which can sometimes optimize out of usefulness. Because of this, I think this is very bad news for roundcube.

> I think this is very bad news for roundcube. Roundcube has been languishing a bit since the failed Roundcube-next fiasco. You can criticize the Nextcloud group for many things but at least they have proven to be consistent with pushing forward their open source projects. > tangled and ugly mess of a UI Maybe I'm an odd one but I have no issues with the UI. It's clean yet more info dense than many other commercial o…

The bad news is that webdevs will ship the fiasco.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Post by iggldiggl »

ikidd wrote: post #175
iggldiggl wrote: post #112

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> Unfortunately, this had a UI "update" too and now practically nothing can be customized the way I prefer. If someone forks Roundcube and brings back the old theme, I will switch to it tomorrow. ?? The old skins (Classic and Larry) are still available as plugins via PHP composer, aren't they?

Yah, though it's annoying you have to hack them into the UI again with composer instead of having a plugin system in the app that can just add them.

Although I don't find composer that painful (except for one weird bug related to skin installation: https://github.com/roundcube/plugin-installer/issues/41).
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