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Do you have recommendations for a self hosted webDAV server that could act as a Dropbox / GDrive replacement? I‘m using Nextcloud only for that use case because I haven’t found anything that seemed as stable.
What does Nextcloud do poorly that might be better/easier with an alternative?
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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
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They are advertising a enterprise ready solution and it's clearly not. No matter how much hardware you throw at it.
I beg to differ and so would our over 1000 customers, none of them with less than 100 seats (we don't sell below that). Most have 1000 users or more. The largest has several tens of millions of users and they are using Global Scale. One customer runs nearly 4 million users on a single cluster. Nextcloud is a complicated beast, and scaling to tens of thousands of users isn't trivial, but then that is what Nextcloud En…
Edit: Just so you know we are still a customer of yours with over 3k users but not for long anymore. We tried to work with you for over 4 years now and got absolutely nothing. Neither performance nor features.
Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
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Do you have recommendations for a self hosted webDAV server that could act as a Dropbox / GDrive replacement? I‘m using Nextcloud only for that use case because I haven’t found anything that seemed as stable.
There's solid SFTP clients for every OS (even Android!) and all it requires on the server is the already installed OpenSSH, so I never really saw the need to look into webDAV.
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I think legacy code in any language is a security nightmare; not just PHP. Imagine a half-a-decade-old NodeJS project...
5 years old? Really? Or do you just mean because of the crazy dependencies in a typical node project?
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> And finally it's a PHP app with a tons of legacy code Finally? That's a security nightmare right there.
I think legacy code in any language is a security nightmare; not just PHP. Imagine a half-a-decade-old NodeJS project...
Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
#216How does NextCloud compare to Sandstorm? It is the same kind of thing? What are the best alternatives to Sandstorm?
It would not really make sense to put Nextcloud inside a Sandstorm app because it is too bulky, but you would need a suite of other Sandstorm apps to do what Nextcloud does.
Very different approaches to a similar thing. Upsides and downsides to each approach.
Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
#217I really want to like Nextcloud. I had it all set up perfectly earlier this year with their "AIO" setup. Then some upgrade came along and completely destroyed my install, couldn't get the containers to start after that, couldn't figure out how to debug it; seemed like the only way to get it back on its feet was to wipe and start over. I wiped; I haven't started over yet.
Turns out there's some extremely specific weirdness with docker on ZFS. I had to install a userspace FS overlay or something.
But even after all that, I pretty much never use the damn thing. The web interface is the slowest, most bloated and broken thing I've ever had the misfortune to interact with. The desktop and mobile apps have the absolute bare minimum features, and still somehow manage to be broken and unusable.
It sure sounds like a cool idea to glom together your files and email and jira and calendar and everything else into one unified dashboard for your life. But it takes nearly a minute for the web ui to respond to anything. Browsing files takes minutes. And absolutely forget about music or photos, that barely works at all.
At this point, I just use it as a place to blindly dump all my files. I get a notification every. Single. Day. that my backup succeeded, so my files are probably safe I guess. Can't turn off the notification, or filter notifications in general. So I have an unending torrent of useless garbage notifications that perfectly hide any truly important notices.
As much as I want to like it, it's just bad.
Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
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Then I wouldn't use Roundcube either.
What? You said "i'm happy running it on my ...vps." And now "Then I wouldn't use Roundcube either." So you're not running roundcube then? Also, love how you said you loved roundcube because it works on "lightweight el cheapo VPS", and then backtracked once you found out it uses PHP.
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#219I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…
Love nextcloud in theory, but it is a tangled and ugly mess of a UI. It is slow and they spend time on features that only the devs seem to care about. Problem with free and open source software is that you have to follow the passion of the devs, which can sometimes optimize out of usefulness. Because of this, I think this is very bad news for roundcube.
Roundcube has been languishing a bit since the failed Roundcube-next fiasco. You can criticize the Nextcloud group for many things but at least they have proven to be consistent with pushing forward their open source projects.
> tangled and ugly mess of a UI
Maybe I'm an odd one but I have no issues with the UI. It's clean yet more info dense than many other commercial offerings.
> It is slow
I have mine working better than any google property. Nextcloud relies heavily on a performant database setup, so moving that to a separate NVME drive was one of the greatest improvements I ever made. That and properly handling image preview generation.
> Problem with free and open source software is that you have to follow the passion of the devs
Nextcloud is produced by a commercial entity, they are not a passion project. They target large installations and so tend to focus on that use-case. This makes tuning the stack to a small deployment a little bit of work.
Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud
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Can you recommend a webmail client which hasn't had 2 vulnerabilities in the last 15 years?
I can recommend not to host your own webmail in general in 2023 unless you are a Fortune 50 company.