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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Force majeure trumps all obligations. There is no law being broken here.

What force majeure? Do you know what the term means?

Do you? Strikes are recognized as legitimate force majeure in general.

You know how to find your way for that from Wikipedia, I assume. From PostNord:

https://nitter.net/PostNordSverige/status/172767223321924818...

https://nitter.net/PostNordSverige/status/172773029292270847...

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Not sure you know what democracy is. Tesla is required by law to use the post to get plates. This invalidates the whole premise.

What is undemocratic about a law in a democratic country? They can pick up their plates themselves for now, the lawsuit will decide what the law says.

So gerrymandered districting exists as law in a democratic country, yet would you call that democratic?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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This is actually democracy in action. Worker unions are a lot better at making the voices of workers heard and actuated on.

Not sure you know what democracy is. Tesla is required by law to use the post to get plates. This invalidates the whole premise.

Not sure you know what democracy is... Democracy is not just voting for your MP, it includes unions, strikes and collective agreement

If Tesla agreed (like 99,9999% of companies) with the democratically designed collective agreement, there would be no targeted strike. Strikes are one of the main democratic bargaining tool employees and unions have... including on key point of businesses.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Not such a good idea to have a Tesla facility in your country then.

Or maybe not such a great idea for Tesla to build one if they intended to take advantage of workers without repercussions?

Define "take advantage of"

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/27/sweden-sides-with-tesla-sa... "Norrköping district court said the agency must find a way to get the plates to Tesla within seven days or pay a fine of 1 million Swedish crowns (~$96,000)."

That's a temporary injunction while things are litigated.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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No one takes advantage of them.

I have zero insight into how Tesla workers are treated here in Sweden, but it’s important to note that Sweden doesn’t even have a minimum wage law (it has been directly opposing such rules on an EU-level as well) because this should be negotiated between workers (unions) and employers. If Tesla continues to operate in Sweden without a collective agreement this model will break down.

Why?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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The court just ordered the transport agency to hand over the license plates to Tesla within a week. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...

For now. And why do you copy and paste this comment?

Have you seen this thread? So many branching conversations saying Tesla will lose. (They might eventually, but for now, they’re not.)

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Good. Let them make a fool of themselves in court. Tesla wont be happy till every country treats it's employees like disposable garbage, just like in the US.

Given that they just won a preliminary judgement, they don't seem too foolish..

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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You don't think Tesla owners would seek reimbursement if they cannot service their cars anymore? The government would likely get involved to avoid Tesla car e-waste, either to force car returns and repayment or to allow 3rd party mechanics to work on their cars.

If the company is no longer a legal entity in the country any more, I think it would be very hard to sue for it or get anything out of it.

So you can just do some illegal stuff and then leave the market and there's no repercussions?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Not all workers have joined the union and wouldn't get paid by the union to strike. But unions use sympathy strikes against companies that might retaliate against their workers if they strike, Tesla has already made threats. So going by how many of the workers at Tesla are striking or not is not a good measurement.

The union is offering free memberships and 130% of normal pay. Tesla employees still don’t want to strike [1]. This is why the unions are using these extreme tactics. 1. https://teknikensvarld.expressen.se/nyheter/bilbranschen/tes...

Tesla threatened to remove their stocks if they strikes so not surprised as it's supposedly a large part of their compensation.
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