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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by bjornsing »

jltsiren wrote: post #188
susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

PostNord is a private business owned by Sweden and Denmark. Unless there are specific laws to the contrary, its employees have the same right to strike as any other private sector employees. (More generally, postal services in the EU tend to be structured as businesses these days, because they are in direct competition with various courier and package delivery services.) Also, while the employees may be on strike, ma…

> Also, while the employees may be on strike, managers who rank high enough are not represented. If a company has particularly important obligations it needs to honor, it can always tell the managers to handle them personally.

You have to get very high in the hierarchy before you find a manager that the unions will not represent. This is one of the major problems with the Nordic model I would say.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by letmevoteplease »

aaomidi wrote: post #185
susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

This is actually democracy in action. Worker unions are a lot better at making the voices of workers heard and actuated on.

If a company is legally required to use PostNord and PostNord can legally refuse to deliver mail, it effectively gives PostNord the power to control any company that wants to continue receiving mail. Regardless of whether they are using that power for good or evil here, I don't think it's a power they should have.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Dah00n »

rsynnott wrote: post #114
papichulo2023 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could be more expensive for Sweden if the US gov decides to retaliate (current or next one) or companies watching this and considering entering their market or not.

I mean, this is hardly the first time this has happened; US and other foreign companies have incurred the wrath of the unions in the Nordics before. Why would the US _government_ retaliate against the Swedish _government_ for a dispute between the Swedish unions and a company? What form would this retaliation take? Bear in mind that, for practical purposes, even if for some reason it wanted to (and again, why would i…

US officials have done so lots of times. Go to any official political meeting between countries and US businesses are participating together with state officials. Like in US China meetings.

Xi Jinping just met with Tim Cook, Elon Musk, etc.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by lock-the-spock »

scottyah wrote: post #197
susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

It screams corruption to me, this definitely sounds like one political group has infiltrated the governmental services and has gotten enough power to begin publicly target people/groups that they oppose.

I'm sorry but your claim does not make sense at all given the meaning of the words you are using

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by [deleted] »

susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Dah00n »

larsnystrom wrote: post #47
lynx23 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.

I believe this is what will happen. The Swedish unions can’t budge, and Elon won’t budge, so there’s really no other solution to this conflict.

Then he will likely have to do so in Denmark and Norway too.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by scottyah »

bux93 wrote: post #69
abc123abc123 wrote: post #27

3 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.

The suit isn't even targeting Postnord, but targeting the Swedish Transport Agency instead. So Tesla's lawyers aren't even trying. If the Transport Agency is directed to get the plates to Tesla in some other way, whatever party then needs to follow up on that (unionized Transport Agency personnel?) may also decide to strike, so it's questionable if this strategy is a good one. Well, I mean, it's obviously a bad strat…

I think Tesla's workers have issues with the law stating that all license plates must be delivered through Postnord. Tesla has tried to pick them up themselves, but since that is not allowed, and the strike is, it's basically state sanctioned theft.

If Postnord doesn't want to deliver, that's fine- but there should be a way to take possession of property.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Dah00n »

belltaco wrote: post #133
Hamuko wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like this is more performative and/or grasping at straws, kinda like the recent X Corp v Media Matters suit.

The court just ordered the transport agency to hand over the license plates to Tesla within a week. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...

For now. And why do you copy and paste this comment?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by okr »

cinntaile wrote: post #200
david38 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure you know what democracy is. Tesla is required by law to use the post to get plates. This invalidates the whole premise.

What is undemocratic about a law in a democratic country? They can pick up their plates themselves for now, the lawsuit will decide what the law says.

Maybe being able to pick any other company to make the plates? For god sake, it is just a plate. A simple piece of metal with some letters on it to make everyone happy with traceability.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Dah00n »

tmikaeld wrote: post #79

What if Tesla just pulled out of the country? Who's worst off? Sweden: - Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops) - May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory. - Less electric cars, less good for the environment. - € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales. Tesla: - Loosing € ~350M/year (10K S…

Then they'll likely need to pull out of all of Scandinavia. There's already talk of sympathy strikes in both Norway and Denmark.
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