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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by jacquesm »

flutas wrote: post #171
jacquesm wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are breaking the law. They have (repeatedly) threatened strikers that they would take away their options which is how they managed to match compensation to begin with so this is very much a legal issue as well. That's why so many sympathy strikes broke out. What Tesla execs need to realize is that the world isn't North America and that different countries have different relationships between labor and management…

> edit: apparently it's worse than just stock: I'll wait for the original source. An anonymous comment on reddit with no source, does not a valid claim make. All I can find is (translated) claims that Tesla said they may remove the stock option program going forward and layoffs. [0] Which is a far cry from "holidays, bonuses, stock and insurance" or "stealing $7000" > There have also been reports that employees have…

Yes, agreed.

But that's a lot of smoke already, those reps would likely not say that if it wasn't something they could back up.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by McDyver »

mrpopo wrote: post #158
xkbarkar wrote: post #155

Lawsuit is about the state telling postnord a mail delivery company, to not deliver licence plates in some weitd sympathy action. Tesla won the suit and the licence plates have to be delivered. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Mo0V85/tesla-far-ut-sin...

Tesla was granted a temporary measure to deliver the licence plates until the lawsuit*

I suppose this is about the physical license plates, that can't be held at postnord - maybe very specific for being license plates.

The next step will be at transportstyrelsen they will just strike and refuse to issue the license plates.

No license plates issued, none to be delivered

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Manfred »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #159
uxp8u61q wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are you telling me that refusing to distribute mail is legal in Sweden? In most, if not all EU countries that would not be on several levels as per my previous comment. So please at least try to write something substantive... Edit: In fact it looks like this is indeed a breach of at least EU law: " The universal service obligation (USO) is the core of the Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC, amended by Directives 200…

It's called “civil disobedience” and sometimes it's the only way for people to leverage some sort of power.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by brandonagr2 »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #156
mytailorisrich wrote: post #154

I am not familiar with Swedish law but I doubt it is legal to refuse to distribute mail whether at service provider level or at employee level. At employee level it would be for Postnord to take action but at service provider level (Postnord) then maybe (?) they have a point that the state/regulator should intervene. Now, if on the other hand what is happening is perfectly legal then perhaps the famed Swedish model h…

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https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/27/sweden-sides-with-tesla-sa...

"Norrköping district court said the agency must find a way to get the plates to Tesla within seven days or pay a fine of 1 million Swedish crowns (~$96,000)."

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by aaomidi »

susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

This is actually democracy in action.

Worker unions are a lot better at making the voices of workers heard and actuated on.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by brandonagr2 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
kmlx wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…

The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/27/sweden-sides-with-tesla-sa...

"Norrköping district court said the agency must find a way to get the plates to Tesla within seven days or pay a fine of 1 million Swedish crowns (~$96,000)."

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by david38 »

aaomidi wrote: post #185
susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

This is actually democracy in action. Worker unions are a lot better at making the voices of workers heard and actuated on.

Not sure you know what democracy is.

Tesla is required by law to use the post to get plates. This invalidates the whole premise.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by jltsiren »

susano wrote: post #174

Not overly knowledgeable on Swedish law, but the idea that a public sector union can decide to block public services (in this case postal delivery of license plates) for a single company as a sympathy strike seems pretty nuts to me. Pretty sure Sweden would lose in European court at least (of course it would probably take a long time to percolate there).

PostNord is a private business owned by Sweden and Denmark. Unless there are specific laws to the contrary, its employees have the same right to strike as any other private sector employees.

(More generally, postal services in the EU tend to be structured as businesses these days, because they are in direct competition with various courier and package delivery services.)

Also, while the employees may be on strike, managers who rank high enough are not represented. If a company has particularly important obligations it needs to honor, it can always tell the managers to handle them personally.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by xhubin »

kmlx wrote: post #97
piva00 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…

> It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model the only thing i’m questioning is the idea that the postal company is allowed to not deliver mail. it just looks very wrong to me.

Think of it this way instead, the people working there have their own rights to refuse to do so. They the people aren't "Postnord" the company, they are individuals who are free to act on their own, they aren't slaves to their company.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by bjornsing »

ceejayoz wrote: post #30
kmlx wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…

The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.

But there are obviously also other laws in Sweden. For (an obvious) example, the police union can’t decline to investigate crimes against Tesla owners.
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