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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by toomuchtodo »

parl_match wrote: post #149
jacquesm wrote: post #148

The hubris is just off the scale. How about you simply follow the law. How hard can it be, if the Chinese can manufacture cars in Sweden then so can Americans.

Tesla is not breaking the law. This is a labor action, and considering Europe's general tenor on labor relations, this lawsuit is going to be a hilarious mistake.

It is tremendous to watch a power hungry, emotionally unstable industrialist run head long into an entire nation state labor movement. Learn to be a partner and not a bully and entire cohorts won't come at you knives out. But he cannot [1], so oh well.

What do you mean I can't just overpower them like I've done to anyone else who has gotten in my way historically?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38127745

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by mytailorisrich »

I am not familiar with Swedish law but I doubt it is legal to refuse to distribute mail whether at service provider level or at employee level.

At employee level it would be for Postnord to take action but at service provider level (Postnord) then maybe (?) they have a point that the state/regulator should intervene.

Now, if on the other hand what is happening is perfectly legal then perhaps the famed Swedish model has gone too far...

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by uxp8u61q »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #154

I am not familiar with Swedish law but I doubt it is legal to refuse to distribute mail whether at service provider level or at employee level. At employee level it would be for Postnord to take action but at service provider level (Postnord) then maybe (?) they have a point that the state/regulator should intervene. Now, if on the other hand what is happening is perfectly legal then perhaps the famed Swedish model h…

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by mrpopo »

xkbarkar wrote: post #155

Lawsuit is about the state telling postnord a mail delivery company, to not deliver licence plates in some weitd sympathy action. Tesla won the suit and the licence plates have to be delivered. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Mo0V85/tesla-far-ut-sin...

Tesla was granted a temporary measure to deliver the licence plates until the lawsuit*

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by mytailorisrich »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #156
mytailorisrich wrote: post #154

I am not familiar with Swedish law but I doubt it is legal to refuse to distribute mail whether at service provider level or at employee level. At employee level it would be for Postnord to take action but at service provider level (Postnord) then maybe (?) they have a point that the state/regulator should intervene. Now, if on the other hand what is happening is perfectly legal then perhaps the famed Swedish model h…

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Are you telling me that refusing to distribute mail is legal in Sweden?

In most, if not all EU countries that would not be on several levels as per my previous comment.

So please at least try to write something substantive...

Edit:

In fact it looks like this is indeed a breach of at least EU law:

"The universal service obligation (USO) is the core of the Postal Services Directive (97/67/EC, amended by Directives 2002/39/EC and 2008/6/EC). This is the requirement that letters and parcels should be delivered to each home or business premises, on 5 days each week, throughout each EU country (with exemptions)."

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jacquesm wrote: post #150
parl_match wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is not breaking the law. This is a labor action, and considering Europe's general tenor on labor relations, this lawsuit is going to be a hilarious mistake.

They are breaking the law. They have (repeatedly) threatened strikers that they would take away their options which is how they managed to match compensation to begin with so this is very much a legal issue as well. That's why so many sympathy strikes broke out. What Tesla execs need to realize is that the world isn't North America and that different countries have different relationships between labor and management…

>They are breaking the law.

Wait, I'm super confused by this. If they really are breaking the law why isn't the government shutting them down instead of the unions striking? Isn't that the job of the government, to make sure every company follows the law?

In my country, if you don't follow the law, the government institutions don't even let you open up shop, the unions are only there to negociate yearly wage increases, but following the law is a must and a given from the start. If you're a company and don't follow the law you get inspections, lawsuits and fines from the state institutions.

So how is Tesla even operation in Sweden without following the law in the first place? It feels like there's apiece of context missing here.

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