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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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#32The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.
I feel like this is more performative and/or grasping at straws, kinda like the recent X Corp v Media Matters suit.
Clearly performative IMO. The likely outcome is that the 100-odd employees Tesla have in Sweden are transferred to some other organization (with a union agreement) and Tesla proper just does not do business directly in Sweden.
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#33From the article linked: "This confiscation of license plates constitutes a discriminatory attack without any support in law directed at Tesla," the American electric car giant wrote in documents submitted to the Norrköping district court on Monday seen by the Dagens industri newspaper. From the European Public Service Union The right to strike in [..] Sweden : Blockades and boycotts are widely used by trade unions i…
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services).
It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The counterpoint is that it's required that employers and employees collaborate to set the minimum arrangements for employment.
Tesla is refusing to abide by this model, in the Swedish model sympathy strikes are legal since that's one way that employees from other industries can support other workers in their struggles, the employees of PostNord decided to take sympathy action against Tesla for what they consider an attack to the whole model of employment and labour in the nation.
What is crazy is a company trying to subjugate a whole nation's system of employment for their own benefit, for that Tesla is being collectively punished by workers in other industries for trying to undermine the labour market as a whole.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#34The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.
Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
If I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.
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Complains about "blatant media manipulation", cites teslarati.com quoting "Tesla Club Sweden".
Read the top-level HN comments on that thread.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#36From the article linked: "This confiscation of license plates constitutes a discriminatory attack without any support in law directed at Tesla," the American electric car giant wrote in documents submitted to the Norrköping district court on Monday seen by the Dagens industri newspaper. From the European Public Service Union The right to strike in [..] Sweden : Blockades and boycotts are widely used by trade unions i…
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
No, you got it quite right I think. The government agency in question has a deal with Postnord (owned mainly by the Swedish state) to utilise them for all mail services. License plates has to be sent by mail. Postnord employees refuses to do so to Tesla. I believe they've also said they'd refuse to hand them out to Tesla should they come asking for them. In effect, not legal way for Tesla to sell cars in Sweden at this point.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.
It's unclear though? There are also laws regarding mail services I believe.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla i would assume the nordic markets are tiny compared to the RoW. does anyone here have any data on revenue from those markets for tesla?
Costly in terms of eventually being forced to choose between allowing unionization and leaving the nordic market entirely. It's something that just about every other big anti-union American company have had to deal with and it's in the past always led to the American company basically surrendering and allowed unionization usually without any major loss of profit/revenue, apart from the money wasted fighting the stron…
Yup, not aware of any US company that would have exited nordics because of unions. Nordics are politically very integrated societies and large scale actors are all perceived to ”play on the same side” including unions etc. So Tesla is not just taking on the unions, they are challenging the entire social contract by proxy.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.
Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#40The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.
Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
Are they on strike though? Are they refusing to come in to work and not being paid?
From the blurb it sounds like they're choosing to not deliver mail to one particular person/company .. which sounds absurd.. I assume postal workers can't on their own decide to not deliver mail to people/companies they don't like as long as it's framed as a protest