I had wondered whether "sympathy strikes" would have some effect here about a month ago[1]. Looks like it did. Though I wouldn't have guessed this pretty genius angle of blocking the only contractual way to get number plates.
Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
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#22The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.
I feel like this is more performative and/or grasping at straws, kinda like the recent X Corp v Media Matters suit.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems complicated because there are multiple unions involved in the strike. If I've understood correctly, the big union (IF Metall) and Tesla have clashed over wage bargaining, but now a supporting strike involves also the employees working on the number plates.
This situation seems to involve the union/unions responsible for mail delivery, who refuse to deliver packages from Tesla, and by law all plates must be sent via mail.
So the suit relates to the state enforced monopoly on license delivery? That I suppose makes more sense, but I can also see the argument that the license is an official document and hence must be delivered by official mail.
Something vaguely similar is playing out in Texas. Paper plates are now illegal, and not without good reason (widely forged), but in the context of other laws passed at the same time it seems aimed at tesla. Tesla has no dealerships, it has been said dealerships don't work well with EVs because the lack of maintenance which sustains a dealership. In Texas you are required to have a dealership to sell cars. Briefly Tesla was going to transport the vehicles in TX to the new Mexico border and back before delivering them to buyers. Some accomodations were made to prevent that, but now the way to get plates in the absence of paper ones from the government is... Dealerships are allowed to keep plates on trade ins to put on new cars as temporary plates.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#24The Swedish Transport Agency says they are only able to ship license plates using PostNord according to regulation, so I'm not sure how exactly Tesla thought they were going to win this lawsuit.
Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
> This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla
i would assume the nordic markets are tiny compared to the RoW. does anyone here have any data on revenue from those markets for tesla?
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>Most probably the Swedes will cave in, after kindly being reminded that the >Russians are located just across the Baltic lake from them.
>Interesting to think what will Musk give to the DC people in exchange.
This is incredibly uninformed. Sweden is to important for NATO to care about helping Musk.
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#26From the article linked: "This confiscation of license plates constitutes a discriminatory attack without any support in law directed at Tesla," the American electric car giant wrote in documents submitted to the Norrköping district court on Monday seen by the Dagens industri newspaper. From the European Public Service Union The right to strike in [..] Sweden : Blockades and boycotts are widely used by trade unions i…
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article.
from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services).
but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m wrong.
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#273 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden.
Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail.
Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..
> This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla i would assume the nordic markets are tiny compared to the RoW. does anyone here have any data on revenue from those markets for tesla?
Costly in terms of eventually being forced to choose between allowing unionization and leaving the nordic market entirely.
It's something that just about every other big anti-union American company have had to deal with and it's in the past always led to the American company basically surrendering and allowed unionization usually without any major loss of profit/revenue, apart from the money wasted fighting the strong and very popular Scandinavian trade unions.
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#29Interesting that they're suing the state and not the labor union.
The sympathy strike is legal. The unions have no obligation to ensure number plate delivery.
Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage
#30From the article linked: "This confiscation of license plates constitutes a discriminatory attack without any support in law directed at Tesla," the American electric car giant wrote in documents submitted to the Norrköping district court on Monday seen by the Dagens industri newspaper. From the European Public Service Union The right to strike in [..] Sweden : Blockades and boycotts are widely used by trade unions i…
while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…
The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.