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I'd presume those plates get from the license plate factory to the DMV offices somehow. I'd presume that method isn't carrier pigeon.
Tesla said they would want to pick it up at the factory. The factory is putting them in nice packages to be delivered.
> According to the Transport Agency, current regulations mean it is only able to distribute number plates using Postnord.
License plates go to the manufacturer only? How does that work when a used car is sold between individuals? In the US, I don’t need the manufacturer (or dealer) to get a plate - I just go to the DMV on my own.
3 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
The suit isn't even targeting Postnord, but targeting the Swedish Transport Agency instead. So Tesla's lawyers aren't even trying. If the Transport Agency is directed to get the plates to Tesla in some other way, whatever party then needs to follow up on that (unionized Transport Agency personnel?) may also decide to strike, so it's questionable if this strategy is a good one. Well, I mean, it's obviously a bad strat…
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Tesla said they would want to pick it up at the factory. The factory is putting them in nice packages to be delivered.
The factory says they can't do this. > According to the Transport Agency, current regulations mean it is only able to distribute number plates using Postnord.
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> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…
Lots of companies work without collective agreements in Sweden though. Under law it's completely free if you want to do so or not. You could as well say that the unions are threatening the Swedish model due to taking this to such extreme levels. Especially as it doesn't seem most employees at Tesla want the unions involved.
And while lots of companies work without a CBA here in Sweden, 90% of employees are covered by CBAs, so the vast majority are covered by one and Tesla fighting this by bringing scabs (a huge, huge no-no in here) is quite stupid. If they thought a CBA would be bad for business then strikes are even worse, it's their choice now to sign one or not with all the costs associated on not having one.
There's stuff on page 1 of the frontpage with 25 points, posted 8 hours ago, and has 5 comments.
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> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…
Lots of companies work without collective agreements in Sweden though. Under law it's completely free if you want to do so or not. You could as well say that the unions are threatening the Swedish model due to taking this to such extreme levels. Especially as it doesn't seem most employees at Tesla want the unions involved.
IE as long as the workers don't form an local chapter everything is fine the problem if that when such a chapter forms and the company ignores it every other union chapter is allowed to refuse to deliver work in support of an company that choose to refuse/fight unionization.
So for there to be an conflict there have to be an meaningful chapter formed within tesla's employee base that tesla refuses to acknowledge.
Now again remember that this system is core to the "flexsecurity" systems employed by all of the nordic countries which is generally based on fair negotiations between equal parties(union and company) if Tesla manage to break that model they force the bureaucracy and state to take over and set highly rules without any concerns for local details they way it typically happens in France which is going to hit their profitability far harder then allowing unionization.
3 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.
It depends on whats actually in the lawsuit. The regulations may say that about the mail in general, but Tesla might just argue the government MUST supply a non Postnord method of distribution if Postnord doesn't have to do it. Also, Postnord as an organization is different than a trade union in postnord, etc. The law is not a "the writing says this so its always this". Saying "postal law vs right to strikes" is a fa…
I like your interpretation as a work around. Postal workers, please go ahead and strike, but then the government/postnord have to provide alternative means to deliver mail and packages.
Who's worst off?
Sweden:
- Loss of jobs, I don't know how many. (But the workers would prob. be quite bitter, they earned more with Tesla shops than standard shops)
- May be bad for Swedish investments, since a union deal would now be mandatory.
- Less electric cars, less good for the environment.
- € ~100M/year in tax lost from sales.
Tesla:
- Loosing € ~350M/year (10K Sold cars/year, most sold Model 3)
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Why would the Swedish military care if Tesla can or cannot receive licence plates fast enough?
Because with the Russian subs just off the cost of Gotland things might get complicated. Also, Finland is already complaining that Russia is weaponising immigrants, so much so that they've closed 7 out of 8 border posts they have with Russia (if I got the numbers right), and seeing how the problem of immigrants is a very delicate one for Sweden (and for many other Western countries generally speaking) the Swedish peo…
What are you darkly hinting at here? Russia's not going to attack Sweden because Tesla can't get license plates, and NATO's not going to pick Musk over Sweden.