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Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Pungsnigel »

piva00 wrote: post #33
kmlx wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…

> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…

Lots of companies work without collective agreements in Sweden though. Under law it's completely free if you want to do so or not. You could as well say that the unions are threatening the Swedish model due to taking this to such extreme levels. Especially as it doesn't seem most employees at Tesla want the unions involved.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by ceejayoz »

cypress66 wrote: post #39
ceejayoz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.

Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.

Pick up the plates from whom?

They don't just teleport into a stack in the parking lot of the post office on their own. A pickup would involve employees. Who are members of the union.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by danpalmer »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #27

3 Chapter 1:st paragraph in the law concering postal delivery in sweden. Postnord has an obligation to deliver mail. Interesting to see what will rank higher in court. The postal law or the right to strikes.

Seems very likely the strike action will win out, otherwise there's no effective route to strike action from postal workers. Whether they aren't allowed to strike or Postnord is allowed to bring in non-union workers, both would neutralise any strike effectiveness, and given Sweden's strong labour laws it seems unlikely that would be the case.

Another way of looking at it is that Postnord is not refusing as a policy to deliver mail, and that's probably what the legal obligation is around. It's just that their employees are striking so mail isn't currently being delivered. The same happens in the UK, Royal Mail are obligated to deliver to every address, but that doesn't stop there being strikes.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by nxm »

kamranjon wrote: post #16
jjgreen wrote: post #5

Not such a good idea to have a Tesla facility in your country then.

Or maybe not such a great idea for Tesla to build one if they intended to take advantage of workers without repercussions?

No one takes advantage of them.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by larsnystrom »

lynx23 wrote: post #34
jesperlang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is trying any means necessary since they know that Swedish labour laws are strong: if they do not have a union agreement, workers are allowed to strike (indefinitely). This vacuum we are now in is probably very costly for Tesla so I at this point I think it is an ideological/personal battle..

If I were Musk, I'd just shut down the whole operation in Sweden. It is not like the country is particularily big.

I believe this is what will happen. The Swedish unions can’t budge, and Elon won’t budge, so there’s really no other solution to this conflict.

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by throw310822 »

piva00 wrote: post #33
kmlx wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while this comment is true, not sure what it has to do with the article. from my understanding tesla is actually suing the state because there’s a law saying license plates can only be delivered via post. and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). but maybe i misunderstood something, so someone can correct me if i’m…

> and the postal workers refuse to deliver anything to tesla (which seems a bit crazy considering there are laws about using the postal services). It's not crazy when you understand the Swedish model: labour laws are minimal, setting just a very basic framework which is then taken to employers + employees negotiations to set the other terms of employment for an industry, in that it's a pretty free labour market. The…

What I don't get is: a strike is a protest in which workers refuse to work but also pay by renouncing their salary for the days they didn't work. If post employees selectively decide to not deliver to a specific client or address, what cost are they sustaining? Is their salary impacted?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by vasvae3 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #42
cypress66 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.

Pick up the plates from whom ? They don't just teleport into a stack in the parking lot of the post office on their own. A pickup would involve employees . Who are members of the union .

Whatever the equivalent of the DMV in Sweden is?

Re: Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage

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Post by Jensson »

ceejayoz wrote: post #42
cypress66 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.

Pick up the plates from whom ? They don't just teleport into a stack in the parking lot of the post office on their own. A pickup would involve employees . Who are members of the union .

The department is still making the plates, it is only the postal employees that are refusing to deliver them.
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