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Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by rapind »

supermatt wrote: post #222

They (all major streaming services) throw away millions on series they never release, they reduce spending on new series, and yet they still manage to increase the cost of the service - and some are even adding pre-roll advertising? I was a huge advocate for these streaming services, but with the unjustified pricing hikes, ongoing georestriction of content, and the addition of advertising into a paid service, it has…

It's funny how disrupters eventually fit right in with the disrupted.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. - Pete Townshend

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
hinkley wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

All of those are popcorn. Even Alien - which is a jump scare creature feature expanded with some token politics and superb horror aesthetics. And Star Wars, which is a fantasy for ten year olds in space (according to George Lucas), but with ground-breaking special effects.

Dune - the book - is not popcorn. The series is probably the most brutally surgical examination of power, politics, religion, and economics ever to appear in print.

There are giant worms and weird drugs and such, but they're all metaphors.

If you're looking for the literary equivalent of CGI, that's very much not what it's about.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by ekianjo »

supermatt wrote: post #222

They (all major streaming services) throw away millions on series they never release, they reduce spending on new series, and yet they still manage to increase the cost of the service - and some are even adding pre-roll advertising? I was a huge advocate for these streaming services, but with the unjustified pricing hikes, ongoing georestriction of content, and the addition of advertising into a paid service, it has…

> I was a huge advocate for these streaming services,

It was always going to go this way. Once you have a captive audience the next strategy is to milk it to death

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Post by beAbU »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #243
supermatt wrote: post #222

They (all major streaming services) throw away millions on series they never release, they reduce spending on new series, and yet they still manage to increase the cost of the service - and some are even adding pre-roll advertising? I was a huge advocate for these streaming services, but with the unjustified pricing hikes, ongoing georestriction of content, and the addition of advertising into a paid service, it has…

Honestly despite paying for netflix, I never stopped using torrents, even for netflix shows. Their UI is terrible and the geographic limitations are annoying, your watch list is unusable and the suggestions keep getting in your way. It's like their are not using their own product, and netflix is the least bad of the streaming services. Much easier to use the stremio app for most things.

I use Netflix to discover things I might be interested in, and if I want to keep watching I go to the high seas.

I have all the other mainline streaming apps installed, sans a login. I use it purely for discovery.

I have to say that the frequency of finding something worthwhile on netflix is decreasing...

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

beAbU wrote: post #254
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly despite paying for netflix, I never stopped using torrents, even for netflix shows. Their UI is terrible and the geographic limitations are annoying, your watch list is unusable and the suggestions keep getting in your way. It's like their are not using their own product, and netflix is the least bad of the streaming services. Much easier to use the stremio app for most things.

I use Netflix to discover things I might be interested in, and if I want to keep watching I go to the high seas. I have all the other mainline streaming apps installed, sans a login. I use it purely for discovery. I have to say that the frequency of finding something worthwhile on netflix is decreasing...

Well, I did consule a lot of content. Humanity can only produce so many awesome things every day.

We got used to abondance and quality.

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Post by danjc »

supermatt wrote: post #222

They (all major streaming services) throw away millions on series they never release, they reduce spending on new series, and yet they still manage to increase the cost of the service - and some are even adding pre-roll advertising? I was a huge advocate for these streaming services, but with the unjustified pricing hikes, ongoing georestriction of content, and the addition of advertising into a paid service, it has…

Every successful disruptor becomes what it set out to disrupt.

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Post by Krasnol »

WalterBright wrote: post #190
Krasnol wrote: post #145

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I wouldn't consider them just "sequels" of the first one. As I said, the first book introduces the world. The story itself spans over an immense time. I was only talking about the books written by Frank Herbert btw.

I don't know if you've convinced me to read them, but thanks for the telling me something I didn't know.

Actually, I didn't want to convince you to read them. It was the opposite. I don't think you'd like it based upon your recommendations above.

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Post by Krasnol »

aidenn0 wrote: post #194
Krasnol wrote: post #136

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If you've read only the first book, you've only read the prelude to what people love. However, considering what you recommend, I doubt it would be something you'd enjoy.

Not GP, but I think I made it to about 20 pages into the third book before giving up. I actually enjoyed the first book, but it just got more ponderous as it went on. And this was around the same time I read the Foundation series by Asimov, so I didn't necessarily need at pot-boiler.

I'm not sure if one of us misunderstood "pot-boiler" but Dune is surely no popcorn entertainment. It felt ponderous because its author invests much time into the development of characters, philosophy and politics. It's not for everybody, but it surely is not a pot-boiler.

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Post by omnimus »

RajT88 wrote: post #118
kadoban wrote: post #113

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> I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. It's the Count of Monte Cristo meets Star Wars, with great world building, pretty good plot and characters and a lot of interesting philosophy, sociology, strategy and tactics. What's not to love? The scifi miniseries was decent. The 1984 one was...barely Dune, though I enjoyed it.…

1984 Dune was enjoyable as a bonkers Lynch movie, less so as a Dune adaptation. I actually credit the 1984 Dune with turning me on to Lynch.

Kinda strange considering its movie that turned him away from making big movies. He hates the final version, was not allowed to the cutting room and the studio basically tried to make very different much more pop shorter vision with material Lynch shot.

I think there are still rumors about him having/making directors cut that could happen. That would surely be very dofferent movie.

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Post by Modified3019 »

toasted-subs wrote: post #247
santiagobasulto wrote: post #244

> Soon after he signed the contract, Mr. Rinsch’s behavior grew erratic, according to members of the show’s cast and crew, texts and emails reviewed by The New York Times, and court filings in a divorce case brought by his wife. He claimed to have discovered Covid-19’s secret transmission mechanism and to be able to predict lightning strikes. He gambled a large chunk of the money from Netflix on the stock market and…

Which is why "inning" people should be illegal.

What is that referring to? All I get is baseball.
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