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Post by bmelton »

no_wizard wrote: post #126
dylan604 wrote: post #16

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Sounds like Jodorwsky's Dune[0] where it's famous for not getting made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune

IMO Dune needs to be a tv show that likely runs several seasons so all the world and backstory can be explored properly so the audience can get a full experience. Think The Wire in terms of plot discovery and forwarding (leaves out bogus exposition, means you have to pay attention to get things etc that moves along at a good pace and has forward development each episode. It would be expensive, but it’s the only way I…

The problem is that nobody wants to acquire Dune to be a critical success. It needs to be a commercial success.

This of course implies the addition of much lazier exposition than The Wire, which IIRC never had more than about 4 million viewers. I'm sure it's different in the streaming era, but more and more, audiences are making it clear that they are definitely not tuning in to shows that require thought.

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Post by jimbob45 »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
hinkley wrote: post #55

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SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

It’s a cargo cult. Dune itself is pretty standard sci-fi. The sequels are where it goes from good to great. People deify the first one because they think that’s where the great reputation comes from, not understanding that the really interesting stuff is in the later books. I mean, the giant worm-man, the endless clones experiencing existential dread, and the trans stuff all come after book 2 and really after book 3.

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by phatfish »

dylan604 wrote: post #72
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #52

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Hopefully that's 19 hours of LOTR with the 2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good.

In the "2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good" are you including the animated versions as well? I'd be hard pressed to find 2-3 hours from the travesty that Jackson made

Even in LOTR there are some wobbly sections outside the big story beats, when you re-watch it now. It's a good book to film adaptation of difficult material though.

I passed on The Hobbit.

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Post by ulizzle »

neilv wrote: post #121

> Netflix executives grew so concerned with Mr. Rinsch’s behavior that they consulted with the Los Angeles Police Department’s threat management unit, a person with knowledge of the matter said. A Police Department psychologist reviewed Mr. Rinsch’s texts and emails and concluded that he didn’t seem like a threat to himself or others. Were executives concerned about possible risks to people, or were they trying to us…

Granted innocent until proven guilty, but I wouldn’t hedge my bets on anyone from Hollywood being a paragon of moral justice oppressed by the powers that be, unless you want a nasty cut from Occam’s razor later on that week

Especially given the rest of the behavior detailed in the article, which as always, no one ever reads

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by phatfish »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
RajT88 wrote: post #10

I love these stories of sci-fi movie diasasters. There are just as many insane stories of "amazing this classic ever got made". On the topic of disasters, I recommend reading about The Starlost: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost

Sounds like Jodorwsky's Dune[0] where it's famous for not getting made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune

The documentary is very good. Conjures a perfect film adaptation in your imagination.

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Post by Krasnol »

WalterBright wrote: post #85
hinkley wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings…

I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

If you've read only the first book, you've only read the prelude to what people love.

However, considering what you recommend, I doubt it would be something you'd enjoy.

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Post by actionfromafar »

sethammons wrote: post #129
w10-1 wrote: post #122

Sorry, but what's the actual corporate structure here? For software companies, investments are nominal in the sense that they come with responsible CFO's, budgeting and reporting structures that would prevent the money from being vacuumed into personal accounts for investment gambling. Is it really the case that a Netflix would just wire $11M based on a promise? Or that they would tolerate the kind of hostaging that…

Famously, the movie Human Centipede was made "behind financier's backs" and were presented a movie that they did not expect nor want.

"They" are hardly alone in not wanting or expecting that movie. :-)

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by WalterBright »

geoelectric wrote: post #114
WalterBright wrote: post #88

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You can never reboot Max "perhaps you should execute their trainer" von Sydow as Ming the Merciless. Melody Anderson. Queen soundtrack. A true masterpiece.

That’s Flash Gordon.

Flash! Ah-aaaaaa!

Re: The $55M saga of a Netflix series nobody will ever see

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Post by WalterBright »

felipemnoa wrote: post #105
WalterBright wrote: post #85

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I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough. Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies: . Invaders from Mars . Flash Gordon (1980) . Terminator . Star Wars IV . Alien

Never heard of "Colossus the Forbin Project". Read about the plot in wikipedia and it does seem interesting. I know what I'll be watching tonight!

Enjoy!

It came out the same time as 2001, and was eclipsed and forgotten.

Best line: "5 years of Caltech in 5 minutes!"

Colossus, although released in 1969, is particularly relevant today.

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