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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by gmueckl »

twoodfin wrote: post #111

Why wouldn’t the first assumption be that the bulk of these differences arise from compiler and runtime library (memcpy, etc.) efficiency distinctions rather than the OS? I appreciate that to the end user it doesn’t matter which parts of the stack are better tuned, but framing this as “Windows vs. Linux” seems unjustified without more evidence.

I can't find any mention of the compilers, compiler settings or whether any prebuilt binaries were used. That makes it even harder to distinguish between compiler and runtime performance impacts.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by chx »

blkhawk wrote: post #77
chx wrote: post #53

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Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.

I would be really interested what you were unhappy with? the only major thing that truely changed after 2017 was that wine became almost universally compatible. It was freakish how little issues i had in 2019 when i switched completely.

Some experiences

Ubuntu distupgrade breaks my machine so badly I need to spend days putting it together again

Switched to Arch

Upgrade. Bluetooth breaks. MFC device breaks. One of the two almost always.

Compared to this the only thing I dislike with Windows upgrades is how it can wake up the machine even from S0 state (wtf!) to upgrade and reboot. But aside from that, it's a complete nonevent when it upgrades. It's been near six years and I never had an issue.

I had a client using an F5 VPN requiring MFA and there was no MFA support except on Windows. I got it working with an old Firefox running as root (because that supported old style extensions and I managed to find an old extension that worked). The only question regarding this setup was from the head of IT at this company asking but not receiving any responses on how to do this.

Weird enterprise wifi always a headache.

I just got a GPD G1. Here's my experience getting it to work:

1. Plug in power. 2. Plug in the Thunderbolt cable 3. Install AMD Adrenaline driver only (only step that requires a tiny bit of expertise -- don't install all the stuff) 4. Reboot 5. It works. 6. If I unplug it, machine goes back to the nVidia GPU inside the laptop. No fuss.

Tell me true, is this going to work on Linux ? I seriously doubt.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mmcnl »

JaggedJax wrote: post #341
mmcnl wrote: post #326

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The end user experience is way better on Windows than Linux. And I say that as someone who uses Linux (Ubuntu Gnome) daily. You really have to appreciate the freedom of choice that FOSS brings you to appreciate Linux. If you don't care, as most people do, you're probably better off with Windows. Ofcourse you can counter my reasoning by listing a lot of problems with Windows. And I can assure you that most people don'…

I agreed with this for a long time, but in the past 4ish years I no longer agree. On Windows I regularly run into frustrating issues with audio, drivers, printers, random odd errors. On linux (currently PoP OS, first on a System76, now a Dell) I have not been running into issues. The biggest issue I ran into was strange Wifi connection issues, which System76 had me submit logs for and identified it as a failed Wifi c…

Windows is not fault-free. But for most people (>95%) it works without issues.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by trympet »

Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #286
hu3 wrote: post #75

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I blame Windows Defender (anti-virus). It's the first thing I disable whenever I want to do some serious disk I/O. Also Windows still uses NTFS which dates back to 2000. For compatibility reasons, fair enough. But surely NTFS wasn't designed with SSDs in mind, let alone NVMEs.

> I blame Windows Defender (anti-virus). It would be nice if Windows Defender tone down their on-the-fly aggressive scanning for anything I/O related. For any I/O activity, it regularly consumes up to 30% of my CPU. Moving files to a different directory rev up Windows Defender even it scans the folder in the past. I wish there is a granular control over Windows Defenders in a way that it would not be aggressive with…

You may want to give dev drive a try https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dev-drive/

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by LoganDark »

scheeseman486 wrote: post #14
bryanlarsen wrote: post #5

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One of the major markets for these would be visual art studios. They aren't generally Linux shops.

The improvements coming for Wayland's HDR/color management are likely to help with that, as the features they're aiming for appears to beat Window's more slapdash implementation with per-window color management, where window contents are accurately tonemapped and composited within the widest color space the monitor supports. Adobe would need to be incentivized to port their suite over for it to be taken seriously, bu…

I am super excited for this, Wayland seems extremely promising. I'll probably try Fedora out again soon - my last experience with Wayland was GNOME and it was super nice.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by mixmastamyk »

mmcnl wrote: post #403
JaggedJax wrote: post #341

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I agreed with this for a long time, but in the past 4ish years I no longer agree. On Windows I regularly run into frustrating issues with audio, drivers, printers, random odd errors. On linux (currently PoP OS, first on a System76, now a Dell) I have not been running into issues. The biggest issue I ran into was strange Wifi connection issues, which System76 had me submit logs for and identified it as a failed Wifi c…

Windows is not fault-free. But for most people (>95%) it works without issues.

Reliability is not that high. But Geek Squad can help when it doesn't work.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by steve1977 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #346
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

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Funny you mention this because a lot of big visual arts studios use Mac for the artwork in the Adobe ecosystem, and heavily invested in Linux for the 3D rendering pipelines as they moved away from SGI/BSD with Windows almost nowhere on the radar. I'd estimate the number of big-name shops running Windows is a minority with only smaller indie studios like Corridor Digital being all-in on Windows because it's a jack of…

The majority of professional movie and television VFX work is now done on Windows and Linux computers, with Linux especially being used for the rendering portion of the process. Mac was the dominant platform for a long time, but Windows caught up and zoomed past Mac about a decade ago. Same or better performance, cheaper hardware, cheaper software, easier to upgrade/repair, and more choice for all of the above. There…

I think Apple lost a lot of goodwill in the market with the desaster that was the initial release of Final Cut Pro X (and rightly so probably).

And now I see quite a few people moving away from Premiere to Resolve, which seems to take a pretty platform-agnostic stance.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by blkhawk »

antod wrote: post #380
blkhawk wrote: post #77

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I would be really interested what you were unhappy with? the only major thing that truely changed after 2017 was that wine became almost universally compatible. It was freakish how little issues i had in 2019 when i switched completely.

2017 was in the early phase of pretty disruptive era with Linux - eg systemd, audio, wayland, app sandboxes etc etc. I get the feeling things are settling now, and stabilising / consolidating into a better place overall with less churn. But for a while things weren't as stable as they typically were before that.

I tried wayland maybe a little over a year ago and the copy and paste behavior was bad enough to switch back. I recently switched to get freesync to work on multimonitor and the issue is now manageable.

app sandboxes I fell less positive about - I dislike them since I think they are only fixing stuff that is already unaceptable to happen.

As for audio - yes while pulseaudio was working i remember some issues with that (mostly related to s/pdiv). This also has lessened with pipewire.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ComputerGuru »

signaru wrote: post #387
ComputerGuru wrote: post #338

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You don’t need to do that. You can install it via apt from the Mozilla ppa, then it updates automatically along with everything else.

It's nearly a year now that I am using Ubuntu 22.04 (and that the Firefox from Mozilla has no problems) so I don't remember all the details. I also tried using the apt version of Firefox as others also suggested. But it eventually got automatically replaced with the snap version after an update.

Yes, it’s stupid. Recent Ubuntu releases have added meta packages to apt that actually instruct snap to install instead. You have to first add the Mozilla Firefox ppa and then use apt pinning to say that you want the “Firefox” package from this repo and not that one. But then it works forever after.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by nektro »

the__alchemist wrote: post #334

I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with…

sounds like you wanna do work in the embedded space
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