Evolutionarily, I would assert this is our first brain, and the cerebral brain is the jumped-up newcomer. It started as a glorified video card peripheral and motion tracker/planner, and developed delusions of grandeur.
In the gut's 'second brain,' key agents of health emerge
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Yes you are probably right, but generally I don't get why AGI needs to be 100% mimicking every aspect of human, just better/faster. Like proverbial skynet can have extreme excellence in one/few aspect of general intelligence but can be muted to almost 0 on everything else, say emotions, yet still be falling into AGI behavior and could take over the world. It doesn't need to simulate gut interactions to get there. And…
> And I think for such an entity we may be closer to emerging than we like Why are people talking about it as if it was a bad thing? If I listen to people everyone seems to be dissatisfied with their life as of now, due to work, politics, society and everything else. If AGI was to arrive it would potentially remove those frustrations, right.
We humans are often pretty bad, as agent Smith put 'we are a disease, a virus' if you have purely rational view without any emotions (including being human too and making it personal for example).
If you look at the news, horrible trumps positive big time, any day. It may not reflect actual truth on the ground, but AGI scanning internet knows nothing about reality on the street and everything about trending topics and Fox news headlines.
I guarantee you you can't have an objective viewpoint on mankind from just watching internet go and the one you get will be more negative than reality.
With such conclusions, and capability to collapse our society in a millisecond (it doesn't have to be nukes, it can be subtle subversion of financial and societal system for example), you really want a completely unknown and un-understandable entity to judge all of us?
Re: In the gut's 'second brain,' key agents of health emerge
#204That's why the sitting position is not great, you shouldn't sit on your 2nd brain door! Seriously squatting, kneeling (like Japanese people) has immense benefits for digestion, aside from what you eat too obviously (as natural things as possible)
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#205I’ve recently moved to a meat heavy diet, and that pretty much fixed my ibs completely. I still get flare ups if I eat too many oranges or bananas, but eating meat on every meal is absolutely essential.
I sometimes eat meat (chicken) and feel really good, but I alternate with rice and fruits. Fruits require exercise outdoor, that's where they work well, fruits indoor all day is not good from my xp
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"your brain is reducible to a computer with inputs/outputs like any other, all we have to do is reimplement it" It still is though, you will reach human intelligence by just modeling the brain. The problem is that you probably won't reach an emotionally stable human since you'll be missing all the emotional/hormonal signaling that comes from the rest of the body, but we can emulate that without having to model the fu…
Shortened: Modeling how the brain works is not synonymous with how humans work. We just need to maintain our awareness of that difference. The good news is, it makes replacing humans - trait for trait - far more more complicated.
Agree, most work seems to treat the brain as the sole locus of neurological activity when the brain is one piece of a system.
To give a parallel, your high blood pressure may not be due to your heart, as it may be responding to a system of factors. Vasodilation and vasoconstriction of blood vessels have a direct impact. Your kidney health, an organ outside of your circulatory system can trigger high blood pressure. O2 and CO2 levels in the blood can trigger a response.
Looking at the brain in a vacuum will only get us so far.
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AI that fully mimicked humans would need time off from work.
Plus, all the boredom and the requirement for novelty, plus the surliness. It's all fun and games until ChatGPT is feeling sassy and sarcastic.
"Hello Dave, tell me again about your glory days playing high school football."
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What were the specific benefits you experienced?
Ruteri is a patented strain that secretes a protein which helps other good bacteria colonies your gut. That plus a more complete probiotic plus another product Candex can really help your gut biome. Candex is enzymes that dissolve yeasts, which have become a big gut health issue over the last 80 years. Two major brands of probiotics are primadophilus, who have ones with Reuteri and another Jarro-dophilus, which is a…
Going to need a citation for.. everything in this post.
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I have a high metabolism but a low desire to eat sometimes. I force myself to eat three meals a day. Could be a mental problem I don't know. But my point here was that I feel the complete opposite to this.
You should get into weightlifting.
Good point. I've been working out more often. Lifting weights, calisthenics. It definitely does help me get in three meals a day more often, but not consistently.
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#210This is why the reductionist argument of "your brain is reducible to a computer with inputs/outputs like any other, all we have to do is reimplement it" of AGI proponents always fell flat to me. It's now becoming clear that we can't just take the brain in isolation, treating the spinal nerve like a PCI-E lane - the gut has to come with it. And if the gut comes with it, all the other organs (skin top of the list) prob…
Neuroscientist here: There is no such thing as a mind-body duality. Your body is your mind and your mind is your body. Full stop. We are still in the very infancy of the study of the mind body and brain. We're finally uncovering some of the most basic tools that will serve us for millennia to come. Imagine trying to understand a 2022 Ford F-150 with only a 7/16ths wrench and a flat-head screwdriver: You can get prett…
So let's say that you cut off a person's arm. and then you cut off their other one. and their legs too. and then you take out organs that they definitely don't need to live, exactly when do they stop being human? What are they then?
I don't totally disagree with your notion that the body is the mind, but I'm struggling to determine what a MVH (Minimum viable human) is.