What about Debian or other linux flavors, is this some Ubuntu proprietary thing or open source stuff? I would love Debian to have this the same as Ubuntu.
Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…
Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.
Depends on your focus. If it is privacy or security, you may want to consider Tails and Qubes OS recommended by Edward Snowden.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is…
My latest PC was a pretty randomly chosen Chinese PC from Amazon that advertised Ubuntu compatibility. In other words, except that advantage to slowly slip away from Microsoft too. It's been years since I really put any effort into checking before buying - it had gotten to the point I could assume that issues would be minor and/or resolved soon after purchase.
Those PC's look like great value and availability and are clearly very popular - have squeezed out other options like Intel NUC. Very tempting.
But I've heard that you pretty much never get a BIOS update and the quality of any such update is going to be dubious. Nothing sinister about this - it is simply a bargain basement option.
So, you are really throwing security out the window.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#184If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…
Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is…
I'm at the beginning of my third desktop Linux year and I managed to install it on all the hardware I have thrown at it ranging from 10+ years old PCs to a recent Ryzen workstation and a Framework laptop.
I'm not a Linux guru by any mean, there's only one distro that gave me problems: OpenSuse. I'm currently on Fedora.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#185I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…
Yeah the control you get over Linux is both good and bad. You can pretty much get it to work exactly how you want, but getting there is very complex, and remembering CLI commands is extremely difficult for me even after many years of doing linux server admin.
It's slowly getting better though, things are starting to have sane defaults more often, and there are more easy to use GUI settings for things, instead of needing to deal with stuff that requires having documentation open on the side.
My benchmark for 'good' is that I shouldn't have to look at documentation or remember CLI commands to set up and use an OS.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been using using Linux for 16 years in total and 7+ years as my primary OS. Ubuntu itself is a performance hog due to snaps. And Ubuntu is NOT beginner friendly. As an ex-IT guy and as a linux enthusiast, It was not when I deployed it to developers and tech people in my company. And it is not beginner friendly when I install it to my friends & family. I used to use Ubuntu for work until last week. Used it beca…
Arch can be made easier if you use Manjaro[0], for example. I used Manjaro for years before switching to Mac, and it was rock stable. I had Timeshift[1] installed and set up to be able to roll back just in case I messed something up. In general though, I never felt like I had to mess around with the terminal and a bunch of commands, only if I really wanted to. [0] https://manjaro.org/ [1] https://github.com/linuxmint…
I used Manjaro for years before moving to Arch Linux myself. Manjaro broke their 2 weeks testing cycle promise. It used to be stable. Then they started cherry picking systemd and kde directly from upstream instead of the traditional Arch stable repo -> Manjaro unstable -> Manjaro testing -> Manjaro stable cycle for a package. Things started breaking and they were hostile to the community which resulted in a new forum. I have both technical and reasons of morale to ditch Manjaro being an early ~2016 Manjaro user.
I also have a sour taste regarding Manjaro because I was one in the minority of people who supported them when they wanted to kickstart a company with Manjaro. I am also going to ignore the whole issue about the leadership issues and outsting of Jonathon (R.I.P Jonathon!). I walked away from Manjaro because there was no technical reason or joy to use Manjaro and partly for Jonathon. He was the glue for our community. Old Manjaro users know how awesome their community was initially.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#187If Microsoft backs off core Windows development, which it certainly seems like they are, this is what we'd expect to see... not a big bang where it suddenly stops working, but every year it'll just sort of fall a bit more behind Linux, until in 4 or 5 years the difference consensus will slowly just creep over to Windows being noticeably worse than Linux without any big bang switchover... and it'll sneak up on Microso…
Interesting thought, but you might be missing the hardware perspective. I switched from Windows to Linux this year, and the biggest issue has been drivers and hardware compatibility: audio available via headphones but not (laptop) built-in speakers, occasional display issues depending on the monitor setup, occasional WiFi issues. If hardware innovation stopped, Linux could catch up easily... but it won't, so there is…
Agreed. I have a Linux computer upstairs, and the Wifi dongle (I know, but it's fine!) broke. Buying a new one, or even knowing what to buy, that doesn't require me to USB key some random drivers (probably cloned off GitHub) is a tricky task.
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#188Tangent
I have this suspicion that Windows has basically a layer of analytics tracking over the top of the DE that slows the system for most desktop uses, and that they essentially "tunnel" through that layer when a program actually needs the performance. Like gaming or exporting a video project.
This is why Windows is able to benchmark high for specific tasks, but for overall usage it feels very slow compared to every linux desktop.
Am I crazy or is there a nugget of truth there?
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worked I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect, with the added benefit of actually having the ability to muck around with the innards of my system when I want to, unlike Mac or Windows, which are increasingly locked-down, opaque, and user-hostile. Neither Apple nor Microsoft are consumer desktop OS-focused compa…
>I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect Including touchpad gestures and browser hardware video acceleration out of the box?
It has touchpad gestures, and I even used a GUI program (I think it's called Touche, trivially installed via the app store) to customize the gestures further (it's quite powerful, it lets you assign arbitrary keys or shell scripts to gestures and scope them by context, e.g. I assigned four-finger swipe left/right to Alt+Left/Right while inside Firefox to perform back/forward navigation (this was before Firefox started shipping with gestures natively)).
As for browser hardware video acceleration, I sure hope so (the model I got has a beefy GPU) but I'm not sure how to check, and in any case I reflexively watch all videos in 480p after years of watching my old Windows laptop overheat while trying to decode video so I'm the wrong person to ask. :P
Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper
#190I ran an experiment a while ago. My windows work machine takes a good 3 minutes to compile one of my C++ projects, but a Linux VM on that same machine builds the same project in 45 seconds. That's really all I need to know about Windows
On a work machine, that's more likely to be due to excessive background services installed by the company, particularly antivirus (which is known to kill disk performance, which means it's particularly awful for compiles). Don't get me wrong, I despise windows on its own merits, but I don't think that particular case is a fair comparison; there's a good chance that a completely clean windows VM in the same circumstan…
On Windows antivirus is a necessity, not so on linux. So it OP made a fair practical real live comparison not a synthetic benchmark.