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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by znpy »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> With Linux it can feel like I'm fighting with the system at times.

All your points are valid, and it's been a meme for a while now that the year of linux on the desktop is always next year.

HOWEVER, consider the following:

When you're on linux you're fighthing the shortcomings of the operating system (and learning stuff as you go) where as when you're on Windows/MacOS you're fighting companies actively trying to screw you over (and over and over again, always in new ways).

The question now becomes: what fight are you willing to fight?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

kibwen wrote: post #97
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

> Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worked I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect, with the added benefit of actually having the ability to muck around with the innards of my system when I want to, unlike Mac or Windows, which are increasingly locked-down, opaque, and user-hostile. Neither Apple nor Microsoft are consumer desktop OS-focused compa…

>I bought a System76 machine running their own PopOS distro and everything Just Works as I'd expect

Including touchpad gestures and browser hardware video acceleration out of the box?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by neurostimulant »

codeflo wrote: post #19
whalesalad wrote: post #17

I have two rigs here at home. A 12700k gaming box with a high end Nvme disk. Also, a 13900k workstation with Nvme disks as well. The gaming box runs Windows 11, and it feels generally snappy until I’m navigating the filesystem or dealing with compression. On the flip side the other box is running Debian 12 and feels significantly faster. Could be 12th gen vs 13th gen but I don’t think that’s the case.

I have a Zen 2 Threadripper box that I dual boot (it's a workstation for coding that I sometimes play games on), and I can confirm. I don't know what the exact technical reason is or why nobody in Redmond is embarrassed. But anything relating to the filesystem is simply dog-slow on Windows, and the more high-end your system is, the more this becomes the major bottleneck.

IIRC there is a filesystem filter on windows where various apps like antivirus hook themselves, which was why filesystem access under WSL1 actually faster than windows.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

okr wrote: post #37
underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

>And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar?

IDK, because the real question here is why can't YOU do it? Because that's definitely possible, anyone can do it with a few clicks from the GUI, there's nothing stopping you from doing that.

Pretty sure my 5 year old nephew can figure out how to get to Right click -> Taskbar setting, where stuff can be removed from the taskbar.

There are plenty of faults with Win11, but the fact that you haven't managed this, is more an issue on your side ("I tried nothing and it doesn't work") rather than with the product in question.

Excuse the bluntness but I'm tired of seeing all the FUD spread on HN and I need to correct it.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by unsungNovelty »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

I have been using using Linux for 16 years in total and 7+ years as my primary OS.

Ubuntu itself is a performance hog due to snaps. And Ubuntu is NOT beginner friendly. As an ex-IT guy and as a linux enthusiast, It was not when I deployed it to developers and tech people in my company. And it is not beginner friendly when I install it to my friends & family.

I used to use Ubuntu for work until last week. Used it because of the worry for Ubuntu compatibility since most work related tools etc supports Ubuntu if you want to use Linux at work. It used to use 7.5-8GB ram and >40% CPU. So I switched to Linux Mint. It is based off Ubuntu but it is faster & is better for UX. And I have been using Linux Mint since monday. Ram usage wend down to only max 6GB RAM and I recommend Linux Mint if you want point release distro. It literally takes care of you and works OOTB. The only problem is it doesn't have wayland support yet. If you have the time to invest (which I think you don't since you mentioned tedious), and only if you have time, I recommend Arch Linux.

Another green flag is to prefer community led/oriented Linux flavours over corporate funded for long term UX. Way too many cuts and bleeds to trust a corporate run Linux distro. CentOS and Ubuntu being the latest ones. The only exception so far has been OpenSuse IMO. And I have heard good things about POPOS as well. I haven't used it to comment on it though.

I really see FreeBSD as my north star. But it is not yet there for my work and desktop usecases.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by LeJC »

chx wrote: post #53
noir_lord wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.

This is almost me. I used Linux on and off over the last 15 years. Mostly in servers, but I often installed a linux partition to try it out.

I always went back to windows since windows was much simpler and I thought KDE and Gnome was similar anyway, I didn't see any benefit in switching.

I permanently switched to Linux in august. I found out about window managers and now I see a real benefit on using Linux over Windows. As much as I'm forced to use windows at work and I try to emulate the functionalities of a WM.

What helped me is support for most of my devices. Linux progressed a lot in the last few years.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

okr wrote: post #57
eldaisfish wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i really dislike this line of reasoning. Windows has a much larger installed base so finding support and solutions are pretty easy. Whether that is a video, a blog or a forum, you can always find someone with the same problem. No, windows nagging you to register is not in the same ballpark as your audio not working or your video resolution changing with multiple monitors. No, windows updates adding or removing featur…

So serious. I find the linux community indeed very resourceful. And the ones for windows, after you have clicked thousands of banners away, that tell you the workaround for avoiding the registering after a long text of nothing, i find them resourceful too. My point was, that it is always difficult to enter a new domain. So it is a shared pain.

>I find the linux community indeed very resourceful

I do to. As a “power user”, however it feels that for people who don’t know how/fear/don’t want to use the command line and don’t know how to read documentation accomplishing even basic stuff on Linux would be a struggle.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by pjmlp »

underseacables wrote: post #28

I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

As ex-UNIX zealot, that came back into Windows around Windows 7, and then settled to use GNU/Linux from VMWare, Windows has gotten worse, but still not bad enough for me to use GNU/Linux as main OS.

Just last weekend I have spent a good part of it fixing the way installing clang messed up with Ubuntu's system clang, plugged via LAN cable, because after all these years my little Asus netbook still cannot keep a stable WLAN connection to my router.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by TrueSlacker0 »

aarond0623 wrote: post #74
underseacables wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, The documentation is really important for me I guess. I feel more comfortable with documentation carefully laid everything out; screenshots are gold. Is there a book that you would recommend that would help a novice like myself learn Linux better?

IMO, the best way to get comfortable with Linux is to get comfortable with the command line, because although every distribution is going to have different UI and built-in apps, the command line is going to stay pretty consistent. Also, a lot of troubleshooting you Google is going to involve interacting with the command line, and it's essential to understand what the commands you're executing are actually doing. I'd…

And that right there is why Linux is so frustrating to start with. It is easier to solve most problems via command line however a normal user should never ever have to touch a command line. Everything for a common person should be easily accessible via a gui.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Post by orangepurple »

chx wrote: post #53
noir_lord wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps I should have chosen another flavor? That'll ignite a holy war. The trick with linux isn't to learn the flavour, it's to learn linux - once you get an overview of how all the bits work then switching distro is (much) more straightforward. Ubuntu is an excellent first choice because it's one of the major distro's so you'll be able to google stuff more easily. My personal recommendation would be Fedora (and i…

Where do I learn modern desktop Linux? I am using it on servers since 1993 and used for desktop 2004-2017 (and was very unhappy with it) so my desktop knowledge is severely outdated.

Install Gentoo if you want to learn how a modern functional Linux system is put together
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