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Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by seanp2k2 »

tjoff wrote: post #94
fr0ggerz wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pandora uses jPlayer to play audio which has an invisible Flash component to play mp3s on browsers that don't support it. If Firefox requires 'click-to-play' on an on-screen piece of Flash to enable it, all sites using jPlayer to play mp3 simply will not work. And of course this doesn't just affect jPlayer, many other players use this technique. Much better -- as mistercow reasons -- to have a pop-up asking you if yo…

Doesn't Firefox support mp3?

Guys/gals,

Let's please try to explain things instead of just downvoting questions.

Try this link http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=21175...

TL;DR there is a licensing issue with the MP3 decoder. It's more complicated than that, but most of it is due to software patents. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#section_10 has more info if you're curious.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by lysol »

masklinn wrote: post #72
bad_user wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... cross-domain XHR That's not a problem because Firefox has support for CORS, which is better than doing Flash because it's faster. Of course, the server must cooperate with the browser by passing back allowance headers, but that's also true for Flash, as you need the server to have a crossdomain policy file for that. Last year I wrote an article about it on my blog about how to configure it, check it out: http://b…

> That's not a problem because Firefox has support for CORS, which is better than doing Flash because it's faster. That's nice for a new site being developed right now, it's problematic for a site which has been stable in production for months or years and for which everybody involved in the development has moved on already.

If that site is the case, then lack of maintenance will have reared its ugly head long before a lack of Flash (or, the inclusion of it) broke their site.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

strager wrote: post #46
alanh wrote: post #43

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Chrome has a click-to-play implementation for Flash? That is not a plugin? Do I have to go to chrome://flags or something?

Yes. Preferences > Under the Hood > Privacy > Content Settings > Plug-ins > Click to play Or you can search for "Flash" or "Click to play" to find the setting.

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Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by joejohnson »

strager wrote: post #46
alanh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome has a click-to-play implementation for Flash? That is not a plugin? Do I have to go to chrome://flags or something?

Yes. Preferences > Under the Hood > Privacy > Content Settings > Plug-ins > Click to play Or you can search for "Flash" or "Click to play" to find the setting.

Wow, thank you for sharing this. I love when Chrome obviates the need an extension to do something simple like this!

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by mistercow »

notatoad wrote: post #81
mistercow wrote: post #55

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That's not the same interface that I was referring to. I was talking about this: http://i.imgur.com/8lzif.png

it's not the same appearance, but it's the same functionality.

No it's not, because if the Flash object is invisible, it simply does not give you any way to enable them unless you go to the preferences and explicitly add an exception.

This was my entire point in the first place, if you look up at the beginning of the thread. For example, turn on click-to-play and then go to pandora.com. If Chrome treated Flash the same as Java, you would still be able to use pandora easily.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by glanch »

masklinn wrote: post #72
bad_user wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... cross-domain XHR That's not a problem because Firefox has support for CORS, which is better than doing Flash because it's faster. Of course, the server must cooperate with the browser by passing back allowance headers, but that's also true for Flash, as you need the server to have a crossdomain policy file for that. Last year I wrote an article about it on my blog about how to configure it, check it out: http://b…

> That's not a problem because Firefox has support for CORS, which is better than doing Flash because it's faster. That's nice for a new site being developed right now, it's problematic for a site which has been stable in production for months or years and for which everybody involved in the development has moved on already.

Don't you just love progress? Time to redo stuff that already works!

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by dripton »

noduerme wrote: post #11

For my money, they oughta make Canvas click-to-play as well, since the rendering speed in Firefox is unbelievably slow and the javascript behind it is so frequently written to hog up 100% of the CPU it's hard to even know what you're looking at if you accidentally stumble across an HTML5 page in Firefox, before your system grinds to a complete halt. It's funny how people blame Flash for slow websites when what they s…

Also, while we're at it, animated GIF click-to-play.

I don't want anything on a web site animating or making noise without my specific permission.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by talmand »

artursapek wrote: post #49

Oh man, bad memories. I used to get so frustrated with Internet Explorer* for doing this about 7 years ago. I was young then, 12 or 13, and had just gotten Flash for my birthday. I know it had to be 2004 or 2005 because the version was Flash MX 2004. I was young enough and it was long enough ago that I think I was using Internet Explorer primarily, and got terrible frustrated when they started using this default clic…

I remember that, I believe it was the result of a patent lawsuit. Something about a company had the patent on the concept of embedding assets into the page and automatically starting on page load, or something like that. Microsoft's response was to force the click-to-play mechanic to get around it and then people figured out how to get around that. I don't recall any other browser having to deal with that particular patent.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by jballanc »

glanch wrote: post #106
masklinn wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not a problem because Firefox has support for CORS, which is better than doing Flash because it's faster. That's nice for a new site being developed right now, it's problematic for a site which has been stable in production for months or years and for which everybody involved in the development has moved on already.

Don't you just love progress? Time to redo stuff that already works!

Isn't that the very definition of progress? I'm pretty sure the horse-and-cart worked just fine when the automobile came around.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by notatoad »

mistercow wrote: post #105
notatoad wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not the same appearance, but it's the same functionality.

No it's not, because if the Flash object is invisible, it simply does not give you any way to enable them unless you go to the preferences and explicitly add an exception. This was my entire point in the first place, if you look up at the beginning of the thread. For example, turn on click-to-play and then go to pandora.com. If Chrome treated Flash the same as Java, you would still be able to use pandora easily.

read his post again. he's not talking about the click-to-play ui. there's a puzzle piece icon in the taskbar. clicking it displays a drop-down menu, and even if the flash is invisible you can choose the "enable flash on this page" option.
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