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Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by notatoad »

mistercow wrote: post #55
strager wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does, though not with the same UI as the Java plugin: http://i.imgur.com/xHrRX.png Clicking the puzzle piece shows a menu to "always allow" or to "enable all Flash applets on this page" (and a few other things). I can see a more obtrusive/apparent UI being implemented if Firefox makes click-to-Flash default.

That's not the same interface that I was referring to. I was talking about this: http://i.imgur.com/8lzif.png

it's not the same appearance, but it's the same functionality.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by tjoff »

pdenya wrote: post #35
mistercow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To take care of the invisible Flash object problem, Firefox could copy what Chrome does for Java applets and have a bar pop up at the top of the whole page, asking if you want to allow Flash to run on the site in question.

If only Chrome did this with it's current click to play implementation

Unfortunately the current implementation breaks some pages for no reason (such as wimp.com that becomes completely unusable).

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by novalis »

artursapek wrote: post #50
kogir wrote: post #14

This is great, really, but I'd like to see something more aggressive: Non-foreground tabs should be completely suspended - plugins, JavaScript, media, you name it - unless they specifically request and are granted permission to run in the background.

Eh, that would get annoying if it was the default behavior. I like to think I have self-control and know how to run Chrome without eating up my RAM or CPU. I don't need this sort of moderation. I don't think most do. I think I would hate it if JS stopped running in the background. Flash files are worth silencing by default because you don't usually come to the website for them. They're largely unwanted web rodents.

I have to say Javascript and Flash are disabled by default on a constant basis on any browser I use, yet I don't have a "rodent" category. I don't "hate" specific categories of content on a random basis either. A lot of end users go to sites for flash content, I don't see how this "rodent" category gets to be made up, is that ads you are referencing in a specific way or do you have a visceral reaction to adobe flash ? Does it induce vomit ?

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by tjoff »

kogir wrote: post #14

This is great, really, but I'd like to see something more aggressive: Non-foreground tabs should be completely suspended - plugins, JavaScript, media, you name it - unless they specifically request and are granted permission to run in the background.

Kind of annoying for anyone with a lot of screen real estate, I don't want the youtube clip to stop playing just because I'm browsing another site at the same time.

Flash have just finally got (after like a hundred years) the ability to stay in full screen even if you focus another window.

Also, that will break all instant-messaging implementations - at least until you refocus that window. Imagine having to focus a window just to see whether the content has updated?

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by fr0ggerz »

mistercow wrote: post #34
CoreDumpling wrote: post #15

I welcome this move, despite the possibility of some fallout from the change. It'll be painful, but even as someone who once made a living writing ActionScript, I have to say that Flash is sufficiently annoying and insecure that it really needs to be phased out. In the short term, this will probably cause some breakage in certain sites that try to use Flash "transparently" and "unobtrusively" for things like LSOs, dr…

To take care of the invisible Flash object problem, Firefox could copy what Chrome does for Java applets and have a bar pop up at the top of the whole page, asking if you want to allow Flash to run on the site in question.

Pandora uses jPlayer to play audio which has an invisible Flash component to play mp3s on browsers that don't support it.

If Firefox requires 'click-to-play' on an on-screen piece of Flash to enable it, all sites using jPlayer to play mp3 simply will not work.

And of course this doesn't just affect jPlayer, many other players use this technique.

Much better -- as mistercow reasons -- to have a pop-up asking you if you wish to run Flash on a particular site and I would love to see an 'always allow' option here.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by obtu »

keeperofdakeys wrote: post #25

The problem is some uses of flash doesn't put any flash controls on the webpage. Mainly for audio related uses, like audio players (mixcloud), or games (since html5 audio still has some work to be done). Chrome gets around this with an icon in the urlbar, and an option "Run all plug-ins this time". If firefox wants to make click-to-play the default option, I don't think this is going to cut it. The only two options t…

There's an “enable plugins” icon at the left of the location bar when the page contains those. It's a bit less visible than the one for pop-ups, but at least it's in an area that can't be spoofed.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by obtu »

mistercow wrote: post #34
CoreDumpling wrote: post #15

I welcome this move, despite the possibility of some fallout from the change. It'll be painful, but even as someone who once made a living writing ActionScript, I have to say that Flash is sufficiently annoying and insecure that it really needs to be phased out. In the short term, this will probably cause some breakage in certain sites that try to use Flash "transparently" and "unobtrusively" for things like LSOs, dr…

To take care of the invisible Flash object problem, Firefox could copy what Chrome does for Java applets and have a bar pop up at the top of the whole page, asking if you want to allow Flash to run on the site in question.

The nightlies already have this, in the form of a plugin icon at the extreme left of the location bar.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by vezycash »

Stop talking about flash!!! those who want to block it already do. They're trying to beat a dead horse. My current pain is this stupid HTML5 video element.

There is no way to block the fucker, it wastes my bandwidth and I can't do a damn thing about it because HTML5 is????

If these crazy browser companies allow me to block VIDEOs, AUDIO as easy as I can block flash, Javascript, images whenever I feel like then maybe this post will make a little bit of sense.

Re: Mozilla may make Flash click-to-play by default in future Firefox

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Post by vezycash »

leeoniya wrote: post #33

i would go one step further and disable all auto-play for audio and video. not just flash, but html5 as well. if there is some audio or video designated to play onLoad, notify user and have them click ok/prevent/mute...etc. it might make for some no-so-seamless experiences, but the alternative it 90's style animated gif annoyances on spam sites etc..

I guess you are the only one that gets it, flash can already be blocked by any one who cares but this html5 video, audio elements are a pain in the butt. Not just that, browsers would become a usability nightmare once animation for ads adopt JavaScript because you won't be able to turn it off.
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