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Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#141

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It's a shame this is all you got from the response because I think what they said is actually a lot more interesting: > Thanks for trying the font and having lots of thoughts. You're right that it doesn't follow all of the guidelines to maximize readability! There are other fonts that do that but mine does not. That's not what I'm interested in and it doesn't bother me - I find it to be perfectly readable. I think an…

>I think what they said is actually a lot more interesting Your rewriting of the comment says exactly the same thing it did before. My assessment of it remains the same. I think an important part of maturing as a developer (and a human) is realizing that it's better to say nothing at all than to write "it works for me, use something else if you don't like it" in response to criticism of work that you: 1. Publish onli…

> realizing that it's better to say nothing at all than to write "it works for me, use something else if you don't like it"

It seems really important to clarify what you will and won't do in your projects. Setting aside the tone of the response - are you saying that people should respond to critique only with silence or agreement? Many open source projects could expand functionality in one direction or another and the fact that the team is not interested in particular directions is often valuable information.

>Imagine a teacher telling a student their handwriting isn't legible, and the student responding with "I guess I don't care, following all the guidelines wasn't the goal in producing this work, and I myself can read this perfectly fine".

I think this a great example to expand on because...it obviously depends! If you are turning in an essay and your teacher can't read it - you are going to get a zero. The font just needs to transmit the content and if it fails at that it's no good. But then you did not "[follow] all the guidelines" in producing the work because legibility was required.

On the other hand, unless the student is lying, then whatever they are producing text for doesn't need to be legible. They are free to make whatever text best serves their goals. Getting the feedback that it's not legible is important - but if legibility isn't a requirement then it's up to the author to decide how to use that note.

For me, the question is one of the venue of the "work": Who will be forced to deal with it? In this case the answer seems clearly to be: "no one." We are all free (or not) to use this font. It is not being used to make signage or publish books (and if it was it would be the responsibility of the authors of those works). The author has no responsibility to live up to any particular guidelines because they're doing what they please (and presenting it as such). People are allowed to think anything is "best" for anything! I might think Comic Sans is the best font for programming (though I imagine few people would agree).

I will also say that this example differs in that the complaint was not illegibility. crazygringo said "You can read it, but it simply takes more effort."

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#142
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been using for longer now and I still love it the most. Might try Ghost from Vercel, or GHs latest font to compare, but every other mono font didn't come close to the italics and general style

If you like denser fonts like Victor, I would also recommend checking out Iosevka. It's similar, but to me it feels a bit nicer.

Victor Mono is one of my top fonts, specially because I like to use tiny sizes + a bit condensed to get some extra columns. Iosevka becomes illegible under the same size, so despite being more condensed, Victor still wins for me.

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

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Well you made it explicitly for programming purposes. I am not a poll house or a public opinion evaluator. But handwritten cursive and programming I wouldn't put in a same sentence. The ligatures and the height you choose really don't go well with a lot of popular programming languages. I'm not sure what aspect of programming do you believe is "inhumane" so you have desire to introduce "humanity" through design choic…

Heh well actually I made the font for my own use. Some others have liked it, others have critized features of it, like the italics and the ligatures. (Features one can easily disable in most sane editors, I might add). I’ve been using it daily ever since I made it, and I like to believe it makes me effective and happy. No one should obviously pick a font which is hard to read for them of slows them down. This font do…

I /adore/ the italics. It's the major thing that keeps me on this font above all others.

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#144

Sorry, ligatures are not for me. I don't get it. Why would you ever want symbols to collapse like that in a functional monospace font? Just looks like a bunch of funky unicode characters peppered throughout my source. And my caret can travel _inside_ one of these special marks? No thanks.

You don't have to use them. I don't see what these kinds of comments add. You see them in every discussion on a font that has them.

> You don't have to use them.

> I don't see what these kinds of comments add.

I think you've missed something from those comments.

Scenario: You're looking at a screenshot of someone else's code (from documentation, blog post, video, etc...). You see a ligature you're not familiar with. Now you cannot follow the rest of the information.

Question: What do you do?

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#145

Fonts have become such a fetish, it's weird.

I mean, why do we wear the clothes we do? Why not other clothes? Why do we choose the art we collect? Why do some people care about art, and some don't? Why do we follow the sports? Why do some people follow football while others care about cricket? Different people care about different things. Why should we judge what people care about?

> I mean, why do we wear the clothes we do? Why not other clothes? Why do we choose the art we collect? Why do some people care about art, and some don't? Why do we follow the sports? Why do some people follow football while others care about cricket? Different people care about different things. Why should we judge what people care about?

Because fonts have become fetishized, and in my opinion, it’s weird.

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#146
It's not as nice as Iosevka, but it's up there on my list of monospaced coding typefaces for graphical editors. (Terminals need chunky bitmap fonts, the Atari ST hi-res mono font being a particular favorite of mine.)

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#147

Lovely quality. I celebrate that. Ligatures are a deal breaker for me tho. With centuries of use cases, we crafted an alphabet that abstracted phonemes, one per symbol, in a carefully isolated, unambiguous and successful way. Ligatures come and with a stroke of design creativity inject ambiguity and de-standardisation where those problems were previously carefully solved.

Ligatures overcome the typographic limitations we've had since ASCII came along. For example -> became a convention because we didn't have a way to write → easily. Now we do.

Is not standard and, as I said, creates ambiguity and additional cognitive load for a weak reason.

Re: Victor Mono Typeface

#150

I still haven't found anything better than Courier New. I'd like to; there are many ambiguities with that font. But this Victor Mono is not the one for me.

it's weird how much i love the fonts from my childhood. these new fonts are cool but i dont have that weird emotional connection
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