I wish we could get a new HN guideline to not make comments for or against ligatures in monospaced fonts. You're not going to convince anyone.
Victor Mono Typeface
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#82PragmataPro for life.
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#83Don't like it, looks to stretched vertically, not easy to read, especially having seen Berkeley Mono here today that looks super nice.
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#84I'm generally pretty supportive of new typefaces, but this one strikes me as... not very legible. The x-height is so uncommonly high it makes it genuinely difficult to distinguish between uppercase/ascending and lowercase letters at a glance (e.g. 'U' vs 'u', or 'h' vs. 'n'), and similarly the descender is so tiny it makes it hard to distinguish certain letters at a glance (e.g. 'q' vs 'p'). The whole point of large-…
Typeface designer here. Thanks for trying the font and having lots of thoughts about it. I guess the point is that it wasn’t first and foremost designed to follow as many font design principles as possible. If that’s what’s important to you, pick a font that follows as many of these principles as possible. :D In the end, I guess I don’t really care whether I use 157ms to parse a sentence instead of 158 - although to…
The roman style is pretty legible, yes, and I . The italic, though? It's not a 157ms vs 158ms difference, I legitimately struggle reading it at all, which is a shame because I really like the roman style.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Typeface designer here. Thanks for trying the font and having lots of thoughts about it. I guess the point is that it wasn’t first and foremost designed to follow as many font design principles as possible. If that’s what’s important to you, pick a font that follows as many of these principles as possible. :D In the end, I guess I don’t really care whether I use 157ms to parse a sentence instead of 158 - although to…
I'm surprised you as a typeface designer are not interested in what end-users(aren't they the customers?) are saying about the font. This means, assuming good intent, that's not where the money is coming from. Can someone shed some light on who pays typeface designers and what are the incentives like?
Sometimes, people do things for fun.
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#86I'm generally pretty supportive of new typefaces, but this one strikes me as... not very legible. The x-height is so uncommonly high it makes it genuinely difficult to distinguish between uppercase/ascending and lowercase letters at a glance (e.g. 'U' vs 'u', or 'h' vs. 'n'), and similarly the descender is so tiny it makes it hard to distinguish certain letters at a glance (e.g. 'q' vs 'p'). The whole point of large-…
Typeface designer here. Thanks for trying the font and having lots of thoughts about it. I guess the point is that it wasn’t first and foremost designed to follow as many font design principles as possible. If that’s what’s important to you, pick a font that follows as many of these principles as possible. :D In the end, I guess I don’t really care whether I use 157ms to parse a sentence instead of 158 - although to…
Feels like your response could be abbreviated for clarity:
>Thanks for trying the font and having lots of thoughts about it [...] In the end, I guess I don’t really care
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#87There were a lot of monospace font postings in the last week and they all had some novelty but this one is horrid and from a typographer standpoint - badly executed.
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#88Lovely quality. I celebrate that. Ligatures are a deal breaker for me tho. With centuries of use cases, we crafted an alphabet that abstracted phonemes, one per symbol, in a carefully isolated, unambiguous and successful way. Ligatures come and with a stroke of design creativity inject ambiguity and de-standardisation where those problems were previously carefully solved.
I dislike them too, but they can be disabled. This makes them ‘good’ for remote pair with something like upterm so two users that disagree on the subject can have it their way. Inappropriate usage is rampant making presentations & in-person pairing way more difficult/unclear (luckily userStyles can be used to prevent it in the browser). What we need is languages to stop clinging to US keyboards as a limiter where => doesn’t need to be misunderstood as ⇒ or ≥.
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#89Obl: everytime we do a font thread, I ask if anyone knows a font that is * proportional * sans * has programming ligatures * clearly differentiates 1l and 0O The closest I’ve come was iosevka. But it was not quite proportional and I wasn’t font of its looks.
Iosevka’s customizations are a gem. I can ‘fix’ the things I dislike about it with ease.
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#90Lovely quality. I celebrate that. Ligatures are a deal breaker for me tho. With centuries of use cases, we crafted an alphabet that abstracted phonemes, one per symbol, in a carefully isolated, unambiguous and successful way. Ligatures come and with a stroke of design creativity inject ambiguity and de-standardisation where those problems were previously carefully solved.
Ligatures overcome the typographic limitations we've had since ASCII came along. For example -> became a convention because we didn't have a way to write → easily. Now we do.