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Fascists and populists get more popular with voters.
This is actually almost the current step in many places. What's the next step after that?
Self-destruction?
Gang crisis shaking Sweden
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say you've identified specific types of immigrants that are incompatible with western liberal values. Who are they and how do you know?
Well, I think the key think to understand here is that it's not about genetics, despite what idiots keep harping on. We're all apes and a random individual transplanted in another group after birth will quickly start accumulating cultural traits from that group. That said, culture is strong and it's even stronger in the internet era, especially for large groups of individuals. It's extremely hard to bend or break it.…
I think that if you had a specific and defensible point about immigration policy you would have put it here. What you actually put takes great care to be so indirect that you cannot even be identified as having a specific position, let alone one that can be discussed in a rational way. Given the number of words you spent on it I'd guess that means it's either unserious or unsavory, and don't really care to parse which is which.
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#323It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That's not a real migration policy, it's just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn't really worked well at actual integration, and creating social m…
> It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. Literally the founding story of European Australia .. the bulk of poor uneducated landed here had criminal records to boot. Still, they were given work to pass the time and after a few decades 'free' land (well, other peoples land). These days modern A…
Culturally they were all relatively equal. Same base religion. This is not the case with the refugee situation across Europe.
Not to mention that the Australia thing happened in a time when there was plenty more space & opportunity.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because fascism works by its own definitions does not mean that fascism is good. Neither Hungary nor Slovakia are great places to live by most metrics, even for native born citizens.
>Neither Hungary nor Slovakia are great places to live by most metrics Huh? What's wrong with living in Slovakia? You're making it sound like Slovakia is Botswana, Saudi Arabia or something when it's one of the safest and developed countries in the world, unless you opinion of Slovakia comes from the famous Bratislava scene from the movie Eurotrip.
Slovakia has a gdp per capita of around $21k and has stagnated with low growth since 2008. It has relatively high hdi ratings but these have also begun to decline. Both of those things are really not good for a country that hasn’t climbed out of the middle income trap yet. It’s a beautiful place, and there are certainly worse countries, but calling it one of the most developed countries is stretching the facts beyond breaking.
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#325https://archive.is/Le71e
Is anyone else unable to get through this capture page? Every time it comes up I end up doing countless captures, clicking not a robot, round and round, never get through.
echo 198.23.187.186 archive.is >> /etc/hosts
echo 192.210.214.166 archive.is >> /etc/hosts
echo 90.156.209.190 archive.is >> /etc/hosts
echo 139.99.171.251 archive.is >> /etc/hosts
echo 185.101.35.175 archive.is >> /etc/hosts
Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
14.6 firearm deaths per 100,000 (146 per million) , about 54% suicide, 43% murders (the rest accidental and law enforcement). Comes out to about 62 deaths per million, rate here is about 5.5 so 62 / 5.5 = 11.27X Source ( https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-... )
pewresearch.org and FT are using different gun deaths definitions. Compare France. Gun death rate in France is 27 per million. Death from assault by firearm in France is 2 per million. To compare the US to Sweden we need rate of death from assault by firearm for the US.
what is the difference between the two definitions ?
btw, we've somehow been back-watered here on the site. I can't even find this thread in my profile, and it's only shown on the main page for this comment as a part of another thread.
Hackernews has gotten weird lately.
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#328Dear Americans, please remember that European crises are very relative. Deaths from assault by firearm per million Sweden, 2020: about 5.5 (from the bar chart) USA, 2021: 43 ( https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-... 48,830 deaths, 43% of those are homicides, population of 331.9 million)
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's relevant for a sense of perspective for the majority of people who are reading this page (because they come from the US). People quote articles like this in the US to pretend that the EU is suffering from some dystopian crime wave but (from the perspective of the US) the opposite is true.
Even if they come from the US (maybe they don't), what is the purpose of comparing with the US specifically? The situation is dystopian for the victims, just as in the US.
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Of course you can. But if you know a little bit about how religion works then you will realize that it is strongly coupled to the identity of the person. Someone isn't a carpenter or a baker in the same way that they are Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Jew. They can't just turn off that chunk of their identity while you question their religious values or their religion, they will interpret it as an attack on them . And t…
> If you want to question religious values and religions themselves then you're going to have to start by planning something that will take decades Exactly why we need to start that process now. I'm not saying we should treat all immigrants as terrorists or anything, I'm just saying that we should recognize that a large influx of people who don't share Western values is a danger to western society and we need to thin…
You'll need an ironclad definition of what Western values are and what a western society is and then you'll have to first go after everything that is homegrown that is also against those values. Ironically you'll find a ton of domestic parties that would like nothing better than to destroy their own select set of those.
And then there is the little problem that Western values and society are still so young that they haven't fully formed yet. And to an American it means something completely different than to a Canadian, a Briton, a West European and an Eastern European. And then there is the Nordics, the Baltics and so on. It will have to be a real work of art to make that workable.