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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by jmprspret » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:52 PM UTC

mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

They were never going to fix it - they used it to their advantage to fear monger and sway votes in their favour. A tale as old as time.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by silenced_trope » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 PM UTC

> Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden’s welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas.

Probably both things are true.

When countries take in large amounts of immigration, their generous welfare systems can become stressed.

Sweden didn't balance the concerns.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by akomtu » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 PM UTC

kurthr wrote: post #16

Good thing that plot didn't show the US on it. Firearm deaths are more than 6x higher than any other at ~30pm annually.

There is, indeed, many gangs in the US, who drive the crime stats up.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by patall » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:54 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #98

patall wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that many people still havn't realized that the elephant in the room is not solved by stricter laws. Because those are in place everywhere. The elephant is what is supposed to happen to those people. Because nobody wants them. And when you cannot deport, what are you going to do?

The usual solution has been to pay some third country to take them.

Yes, like the UK-Ruanda plan. Problem is that this very unethical (regarding the native population of the third country, especially if not very democratic). And has the risk that those countries make a business out of it

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by asylteltine » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

Massive unfettered immigration will do that to you

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by silenced_trope » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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Unfortunately everywhere in the Western world there seems to be denialism about this.

And I'm actually legitimately afraid to actually voice that opinion in-person. I can vent here anonymously. But in the circles I'm in in San Francisco, I wouldn't dare suggest that certain migrants may not be compatible. There could personal, social, career impacts. You're automatically branded a xenophobe of some kind.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by seydor » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

romafirst3 wrote: post #10

While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.

the article ends on that note too, but "it could be worse" is not an acceptable response to a worsening situation.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by slaw » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

romafirst3 wrote: post #31

slaw wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you share your calculation? Did you include suicides that are 2/3 of gun deaths in the US?

14.6 firearm deaths per 100,000 (146 per million) , about 54% suicide, 43% murders (the rest accidental and law enforcement). Comes out to about 62 deaths per million, rate here is about 5.5 so 62 / 5.5 = 11.27X Source ( https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-... )

pewresearch.org and FT are using different gun deaths definitions. Compare France.

Gun death rate in France is 27 per million.

Death from assault by firearm in France is 2 per million.

To compare the US to Sweden we need rate of death from assault by firearm for the US.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by dauertewigkeit » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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Yes, because it is well know that Mohammad urged Muslims to create criminal gangs and start dealing drugs... Sorry, but what sort of stupid nonsense worldview do you have?

There are certainly immigrants with non-western values and also immigrants who are criminals but why are you mixing these two demographics together? If anything the ones dealing drugs are likely to be the most westernized.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by NicoJuicy » Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #64

whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"? If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

> Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

You haven't gone to Brussels I suppose... Especially Molenbeek or Station Zuid.

Ps. I'm from Belgium